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The first tragedy is when someone is born and the last is when someone is dead. The whole life in this material world is a flux of tragedies for a non-enlightened conscience.

These words paraphrase the original Budda's teaching.Cool

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When the desire disappears, diamonds appear.Cool Patanjali, Yoga Sutra

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George Bernard Shaw...
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a beautiful saying of Shaw

if there is no desire for them, what's the value of diamonds? Let the diamonds be just a metaphor expressing a condition of peace of mind, still, when there is no desire for that peace, if one is not seeking after it, what is the value of that peace of mind? In other words, if something is not desired, appearing of the undesired has no any meaning

otherwise, how would you interpret the saying of Yoga Sutra so that it made some sense? :)

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STALS wrote:

a beautiful saying of Shaw

if there is no desire for them, what's the value of diamonds? Let the diamonds be just a metaphor expressing a condition of peace of mind, still, when there is no desire for that peace, if one is not seeking after it, what is the value of that peace of mind? In other words, if something is not desired, appearing of the undesired has no any meaning

otherwise, how would you interpret the saying of Yoga Sutra so that it made some sense? :)


The detachment from desires is the key point of yoga and Buddhism.

When desires disappear, wonderful things appear.

This translation should be more appropriate. The detachment from desires leads to the vanishing of negative karma and enlightenment. This is the meaning.Smile

"Diamonds" are evoked here in a symbolic spiritual meaning. For example, Vajrayana is sometimes translated as "Diamond Vehicle".Cool

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Yigor, I think that all those theories about disappearing of all desires are totally misleading.

I'm still restating my point: if one doesn't crave for enlightenment, happiness and has no any other desires, then there is no any value in that enlightenment and wonderful things' appearance to that person - he just doesn't need them, doesn't desire them. Those citations are initially based on wrong assumptions, and as such have no meaning. 

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STALS wrote:

Yigor, I think that all those theories about disappearing of all desires are totally misleading.

I'm still restating my point: if one doesn't crave for enlightenment, happiness and has no any other desires, then there is no any value in that enlightenment and wonderful things' appearance to that person - he just doesn't need them, doesn't desire them. Those citations are initially based on wrong assumptions, and as such have no meaning. 


What I said is the mainstream in yoga and Buddhism, it can't be misleading.Cool

The vanishing desires and calm conscience lead to the direct contact with the Monad (=purely divine core of the subtle bodies and soul). So physical conscience becomes enlightened.

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well, the whole concept of belief can be misleading Cool and the statement about vanishing of desires is nothing but a myth for desires, which are physiological and psychological necessities, cannot vanish unless one is dead. 

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And, on a lighter tone, gentlemen, a quiz: can anyone identify the flower?
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:) have no idea, may be others know

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looks like an orchid to me but don't ask me which one :)

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why not? - an alive and a dead :)

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Capparis spinosa, the caper bush, that bears rounded, fleshy leaves and large white to pinkish-white flowers. A caper is also the pickled bud of this plant. Caper bush is present in the hinterland of the island of Tinos. Although the flora of the Mediterranean region has considerable endemism, the caper bush could have originated in the tropics, and later been naturalized to the Mediterranean basin. The plant is best known for the edible bud and fruit (caper berry), which are usually consumed pickled.

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never heard about it, moreover, my lingvo dictionary has no the word "capparis", which is a rarity, implying that the flower is little known, though, i accept it, quite beautiful

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Never heard LoL ...U can buy pickled capers in any supermarket.Smile

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I took this photo near home, on a mountain in Tinos. Funny thing is that, due to my poor eyesight, I saw the bee, which made all the difference, only after I had made the print :)...