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Using SCID to Develop an Opening Repertoire

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Samurai-X

Yesterday I downloaded SCID and it appears to be a great program. My main purpose for downloading it was in order to develop an opening repertoire. Anyway, with the amount of features SCID has (both a gift and a curse of the program, I'd say) it's hard to figure out how to do anything. So my question is how would (or can) you use SCID to build your opening repertoire? Can you, for example, enter in your rep. moves and then practice them? I'm just looking to get started with it and not anything fancy. Any tips on this and SCID in general would be helpful and appreciated.

chessmaster102

It seems your on the right track by imputting your opening rep.

chessmaster102

hmmm s=do you have the latest version I'm sure all help files are complete on there.

wormrose

SCID's greatest shortcoming is that the help files are incomplete and not very helpful. Most of what I know has come in bits and pieces but despite all that, SCID is still my favorite database software.

As for building a repertoire; I download the games I find in books and articles and change the [round] tag to represent the book and the [event] tag to reflect the page # where the game is found in the book. Then as I walk through a game with the [tree] window open I am referred to various books, pages, articles where I might find useful info on those variations.

It seems to me that in a group like this we have the potential to create a complete and comprehensive help file using the forum to index all the various topics. But there are only 30 members and very little activity in this group - and the super has not logged on for almost a year.

qixel

Have you looked at the Repertoire Editor in SCID?  It has a help file.

Also you might check out this video, which has a brief explanation of pulling repertoire games from a reference database.  Topic begins at approximately 15:00 in the video.

Amy

Cairton

I'm not sure that SCID is the best tool for developing an opening repertoire. The developers were talking about possibly removing the editor. The new version of SCID has just been released but I haven't had a chance to look at it yet so I don't know if they've decided to keep the rep editor. I suggest you have a look at Chess Position Trainer - http://www.chesspositiontrainer.com/. I'm using version 3.3 although there's a beta of the next version available. There are a few compatibility issues with the current version when run under anything newer than XP (it's only available for windows). You need to set it to run in compatability mode for XP SP2 and disable desktop composition.

Hope this helps.

wormrose

@Cairton - Thanks for the tip about Chess Position Trainer. I have downloaded it and read part of the tutorial and begun to use it. Wish I had known about it a long time ago. It is excellent for building a repertoire. I had tried to use the Repertoire Builder in SCID a long time ago and run into problems and gave up and forgot about it. CPT is much better IMO. But I still need SCID since CPT is not a database. Thanks again!

Cairton

You can use SCID to help build your repertoire in CPT. Open a suitable collection of games as a tree. Then switch to the clipbase and play the starting moves you're interested in. This will filter the collection to the ones you want. You might want to filter further by restricting these games to the ones that your colour won (header search). Save this to a pgn and then import into CPT. And have a look at http://www.chessvideos.tv/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2895. You might find it interesting. If you need to source games collections let me know.

qixel

@Cairton

SCID 4.3 (the latest version, Feb. 2011) still retains the repertoire editor, but suggests transitioning to tree masks for repertoire development.

wormrose

@Cairton - Thanks for the video. The tutorial says crafty is available at the CPT website but I can't find it there.

Cairton

@qixel

I'd forgotten they'd recommended tree masks. I've never got around to looking at them as I had stumbled across CPT.

@wormrose

Crafty's home page is http://www.craftychess.com. I've got crafty set up in SCID and just pointed CPT to that.

wormrose

@Cairton - I didn't have any success trying to download and set-up Crafty from it's homepage. I have Crafty and Fritz in the free ChessBase software but CPT would not recognize it. I finally downloaded Spike and have it running. So I'm fine.

Really like CPT - Outstanding application! Cool

qixel

Since we have been talking about CPT here...

I'm running Windows 7, and CPT is crashing consistently when I click on some of the menu choices.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Cairton

@qizel

See http://community.chesspositiontrainer.com/forums/thread/1993.aspx

qixel

 Thanks, Cairton !

The workaround in the link solves the problem.

Amy

Samurai-X

One of the very cool features that Scid has is that you can download the games you want (try http://www.pgnmentor.com/files.html for games), in my case I downloaded about a 1,000 King's Gambit games, and then you can print/download the "Opening Report." Basically, this is what you would see in an opening encyclopedia, but here you get to filter the games in whatever way you want. Anyway, this "Opening Report" also has all the statistics you can ever want. To try this out, first load the games, and then go to "Tools" and click "Opening Report" (or press Ctrl+Shift+O).

As for CPT, I've had that program before, back when I was more of a beginner and not nearly as interested in building an opening rep. It's great, except for the problems I've had in using it. I was able to use it using only hotkeys and if I clicked anything on top it would freeze. Even with this hassle the program was very nice.

qixel
Samurai-X wrote:

As for CPT, I've had that program before, back when I was more of a beginner and not nearly as interested in building an opening rep. It's great, except for the problems I've had in using it. I was able to use it using only hotkeys and if I clicked anything on top it would freeze. Even with this hassle the program was very nice.


 Cairton's link solves this problem:

 http://community.chesspositiontrainer.com/forums/thread/1993.aspx

 

wormrose
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fritzricky

I have a problem with SCID, i can't get it to work in Windows 7, everytime I try, it says something about an error in the startup script ("missing close-brace" and "possible unbalanced brace in comment while executing") Someone help please, and thanks in advance.

chessmaster102

google the latest version if that doesn't work then you just might have to use another database although scid is best hands down that free.