well known cheating about CC on FB

So some people say their are cheats on chess.com. They don't have any real evidence although the presence of cheats isn't suprising. Am I missing something? Also why is this on chess.com v2 group and not the cheating forum? That would seem like the right place to idscuss cheating claims. I am am genuinly interested and want to know if I have missed something.

Oh it's part of a debate in the notes... Still doesn't seem to actually show much.

90% of the evidence is anecdotal.  However, given the plethora of hear-say & my own personal interactions with potential cheaters, it is not a stretch of the imagination, nor of the statistics (odds, if you prefer), to come to a conclusion that cheating on this site is as rampant as ever.

My point in the Notes was that the focus of v3 was not on the integrity of the game (or any chess tangent game), but on the vanity of the site.  Once one tires of the bright lights and fancy icons, one will also tire of the fact that 1:10 or 1 in 12 (or whatever your perspective is) games will be played against a silicon-based opponent rather than a carbon-based opponent.  Leading to a general lack of enthusiasm to even get on the site.

Once the glare of the bright lights dies down, at the core, you are left with a cesspool of internet coders trying to out-do the other in getting past the chess.com cheat detection algorithms. Vanity, instead of integrity, will not pay off in the long term.

The extent of Cheating is, I am sure, known to those in charge fairly accurately. They have all the tools to make that assessment, it seems to me,. There are clearly very few false positives in the banning of Cheats. To me that implies that the extent is much greater than a count of bans show.

V3 was not, as Bux says, about getting rid of Cheating, and I feel fairly sure that its result will probably increase its extent.

But, the "vanity" factor is large, and essentially that is to do with attracting quantity and not quality to the membership, and I would think that profitability is the main driver.

The problem for the management is to find how much Cheating the clean members will tolerate before they simply fail to come to the site any more.

None of us have terminated our membership, and we are the ones unhappiest with V3.

We live in some sort of hope that all will not eventually be lost.

But my enthusiasm, for one, is less that half what it used to be, almost to the extent that I can take or leave the site. Form time to time. the urge to have a Game, or visit to see the rate of deterioration first hand will kick in.

That for me has not come yet, but it could reach that stage.    

A lot of my losses were to players who were later banned for cheating. So, I know about a dozen cheaters who were on here in the last nine years. 

Wow --- I'm just NOW getting a notification of Lawdog's post here in my Alert-feeds.

It's like Chess.com didn't want me getting updates on ANY of my threads I've been following.  For months.  One way to keep dissension at-bay, silence the opposition by force.