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Lincoy3304

The title explains it

Festerthetester

No debate? So I assume I can make a case for no god and no one will pounce? Okay here goes my view.

The religions that I have studied have one common thread. Lack of knowledge. I used to believe that fear of death and of the unknown was also common to all religions but it is not.

Religions that honor ancestry and the earth are not based on fear of death. Two such examples are traditional native American beliefs and Japanese Shinto.

The very early Greeks, before Greece was unified, also honored the dead and regarded death as simply the next phase of life.

My belief is simple. Although we do not know precisely how the universe came to be or whether it always existed in some form, it is clear there is no design or purpose but instead just a very long list of random occurrences, in the order of billions if not trillions of years, that resulted in what it is today. Which, by the way, is still changing.

Lincoy3304

A more complete view with atheism fully included would be a better fit for this. Do you believe in a lack of belief of God or do you believe God does not exist?

Some atheists draw a boundary between them, but I don’t see a difference. They both don’t believe in God.

Lincoy3304

Ah that falls to the genetic fallacy, but make a new topic on that for debating it

Lincoy3304

I said genetic fallacy, not general fallacy

Lincoy3304
Optimissed wrote:

Making new topics for minor disagreements is a bad idea because it adds gravitas to other bad ideas. "Fails to the genetic fallacy" is what they call "word salad". Obviously it doesn't fail to anything: fallacy or not. That was just nonsense.

The genetic fallacy isn’t a logical fallacy - it’s a mistake in induction. Concluding that a proposition must be false if it has been arrived at by faulty reasoning is wrong. It may be unwarranted by the believer to believe in, but that says nothing about the truth value of the proposition. There may be other reasons or truths that were not discovered at the time the belief was first formed.

Lincoy3304
Optimissed wrote:

God does not exist, since it can be shown that all accounts of God are invented, including silly accounts where the narrative has it that God announces its presence.

This does, as you assume by explaining the origins of the belief are irrational then the belief is irrational

Lincoy3304

I said it is a mistake in induction, not deduction

Lincoy3304

The problem in induction that you made said that because mankind wants to invent Gods, it’s improbable that God exists. That would be the mistake in induction

Lincoy3304

Well then that’s fine, as long as you recognize that the “making up” of God does not preclude the existence of that God. The concept may be incoherent or have a lack of evidence, but that is not due to the making up of the God-belief or religion

Lincoy3304

Well I’d say that again falls to the genetic fallacy. The reason why theism shouldn’t be believed is because of its lack of evidence and philosophical support, not because of how the belief was first formed. The same goes with Christianity