What do we do with a literal six day creation Exodus 20:11?

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virtuousabyss29

Is that a trick question?  I'm sorry I don't want to represent my Church and be interrogated, like I said.  I will log back in later.

TheJamesOfAllJameses

We aren't interrogating you. We're discussing religion and the Bible.

virtuousabyss29

You're all against me and it's no fun so I'm leaving.

opiejames

If a person doesn't want to discus things then why come on this forum?  

stevetuck
opiejames wrote:

My biggest concern is that if you may find a young person that has a strong science teacher that makes him/her believe that the earth is old and/or evolution is true.  Please remember to tell them that there are some Christians who do believe in an old earth.  If he is accepting evolution, please direct him/her to the bios-logos camp (not mine, but still Christian).   The most important thing is they accept Jesus and the cross.  After that, they will follow the path Jesus sets for them.  Can we all agree on that? 

If I was discussing the question of the origin of the universe with an unbeliever or a skeptic and they firmly believed in evolution or billions of years, I would say to them "Don't let evolution or billions of years stop you from coming to faith in Jesus for your salvation. There are many people who believe in Jesus but think God used evolution or believe in billions of years."
But if I'm in a discussion about creation with believers I'm happy to discussion the relative strength of these various positions on how God created the universe, relying on the Bible as our ultimate authority.

opiejames

That's a good answer steve.  We can disagree on details and either have one person change or, more likely let both sides be aware of the reasons for the other peoples position.  It's OK to disagree in Christian love.  

 

Adventurer117

I know they have an explanation on the website I am about to post but this is just some “meat” to chew on lol. 

https://www.livescience.com/41537-t-rex-soft-tissue.html

And just as a side note to those who hold view points on both sides...I do not in any way judge the old earth brothers. If anything I believe this discussion sharpens both YEC and OEC believers.:

https://www.gotquestions.org/old-earth-creationism.html

 

My thought is though, with OEC event taking place 13.7 Billion years ago and man 30,000 to 7000 (per the above link, need to read on other sites and papers) it seems to favor that of what most of those who disagree with Christianity. 

Adventurer117

Continuing. Typing on phone again.

 

With that being said it opens more doors for that of anti God community to try and use other subjects against the creation of man, our uniqueness and thus what they consider to be a fake God. 

 

Remove God from the equation it leaves man to fully do as he pleases with no repercussions for his actions or no one to hold him accountable. 

 

Just the the above link to me about the soft tissue is very interesting and would be the best case for a YEC view. 

 

Again though, I have a lot more study to do on this subject and I love my OEC and YEC brothers equally. Respect for both ;-) 

Dlittle231

I think the literal six day creation is unlikely. If you look at the science that we know the earth has been here a long time. I think God explained it with a unit of time with the word Day. God created time and every thing seen and unseen. God is outside of time and not affected by time. That's hard to explain.

jaredjm
Dlittle231 wrote:

I think the literal six day creation is unlikely. If you look at the science that we know the earth has been here a long time. I think God explained it with a unit of time with the word Day. God created time and every thing seen and unseen. God is outside of time and not affected by time. That's hard to explain.

True. God is unaffected by time. So why couldn't he have created the entire world in six days like the literal text says?

Dlittle231

I beleive God is unlimited by what he can do. The Bible says God can not sin. Even that I would not comment on because Of my deep respect and reverence  (Fear) for God in that I can not limit God.

I will talk about  the six day creation in saying.

 

I think the literal six day creation is unlikely.

The science does not support it

LhcAndrewB

So if God's word doesn't line up to current science, science overrules God?

jaredjm

Also what science has disproven a six-day creation?

jaredjm

I could morph science to conform to a six-day creation just as well as you can morph it to conform to your view. As Chesterton said (about machines, but it applies to science and math as well), "Machines cannot lie; nor can they tell the truth."

Dlittle231

Science can be wrong. Gods word is never wrong. I would have a hard time thinking a person could call themselves a Christian if they thought.

So if God's word doesn't line up to current science, science overrules God?

I don't know about science proveing or disproveing the literal six day creation. I think what we know

The science does not support it

I think the Bible is Gods word a book about Truth not so much about facts.

What I post here is my opinion and it's never about me being right and you being wrong.

opiejames

I believe it's very rare to find a non-Christian astronomer, physicist or geologist who supports a Young Earth.  Therefore, science is certainly supports Old Earth.  However, biologists support evolution.

My position is that the earth is old, but no evolution.  I do not believe in evolution because the fossil record can also be explained by God ending some species and creating others at certain times in earths history.  Scripture seems to support this via Psalms 104.  Science also doesn't have an adequate answer for the Avalon and Cambrian explosions.

A literal interpretation of scripture supports both YE and OE due to the nature of the word translated into day.  I think it the OE position fits better because the term "evening and morning" is omitted after day 7, suggesting we are still in day 7.  If you look at it from the perspective of someone on earth, science and scripture fit nicely together on the creation week. 

Clearly I don't take this position lightly and have done considerable studying on the subject.  There is way too much to discus in this short space, but if you want to drill down on any specific topic, we can.

Personally, I really don't care if you are a YEC or an OEC.  God will not ask your views on this at judgement day.  However, there are two situations that do concern me.  First, when YEC demand that if you don't believe like they do you are not a Christian.  Second, when young people think you have to be a YEC to be a Christian, then lose their faith because of it when they go to college and become convinced the world really isn't young and blame Christianity for lying to them  

Dlittle231

Jim I agree with most all of your post.

We can see some very limited evolution but nothing like what is suggested by some.

What is here was created by God. 

If a monkey evolved into a man why are there still monkeys? I know that's an oversimplification but the whole thing is unbelievable

pitothefirstdecimel

If the days of creation aren't literal days then how did the plants survive? They were created a day before. Plants need the sun. On the first day, God created light. As in the thing that bounces of objects for our eyes to see. Basically, he created the ability to have sight. Not something which plants could survive on for years.

Also, there are plenty of things (scientific things) which support a young earth.

In 1810, about one billion people lived on earth. In less than 200 years, the population hit six billion. This fits the biblical chronology perfectly as the current population started about 4,400 years ago with Noah and his family after the Flood. An evolutionary time line would require not only a nearly non-existent growth rate but also three trillion deceased humans within the last million years.

Studies over the past 140 years show a consistent decay rate in the earth’s magnetic field. At this rate, in as few as 25,000 years ago, the earth would have been unable to support life because of the heat from the electric current.

The water in the oceans contains 3.6% dissolved minerals, giving the ocean its salinity. Salt, composed of the elements sodium and chlorine, is the primary mineral. For years, scientists have been measuring the amount of sodium in the oceans and have found that an estimated 457 million tons are deposited into the oceans annually, while only 122 million tons leave the ocean via numerous methods.

Given the current amount of salt in the oceans, the data strongly favors a recent creation and global Flood. If applied to the evolutionist’s time frame of millions of years, the oceans would be saturated by salt. Even using liberal estimates of salinity levels, the maximum possible age is 62 million years.

Of course, there are more proofs but I'll use those for now.

Further proof

pitothefirstdecimel
opiejames wrote:

I believe it's very rare to find a non-Christian astronomer, physicist or geologist who supports a Young Earth.  Therefore, science is certainly supports Old Earth.  However, biologists support evolution.

My position is that the earth is old, but no evolution.  I do not believe in evolution because the fossil record can also be explained by God ending some species and creating others at certain times in earths history.  Scripture seems to support this via Psalms 104.  Science also doesn't have an adequate answer for the Avalon and Cambrian explosions.

A literal interpretation of scripture supports both YE and OE due to the nature of the word translated into day.  I think it the OE position fits better because the term "evening and morning" is omitted after day 7, suggesting we are still in day 7.  If you look at it from the perspective of someone on earth, science and scripture fit nicely together on the creation week. 

Clearly I don't take this position lightly and have done considerable studying on the subject.  There is way too much to discus in this short space, but if you want to drill down on any specific topic, we can.

Personally, I really don't care if you are a YEC or an OEC.  God will not ask your views on this at judgement day.  However, there are two situations that do concern me.  First, when YEC demand that if you don't believe like they do you are not a Christian.  Second, when young people think you have to be a YEC to be a Christian, then lose their faith because of it when they go to college and become convinced the world really isn't young and blame Christianity for lying to them  

I agree that this is not a core doctrine like the Trinity. I thank you for not calling the Young Earth Creationists ignorant or stupid. happy.png

Dlittle231

If the days of creation aren't literal days then how did the plants survive? They were created a day before. Plants need the sun. On the first day, God created light. As in the thing that bounces of objects for our eyes to see. Basically, he created the ability to have sight. Not something which plants could survive on for years

Where does the Bible say plants were created before light