What do we do with a literal six day creation Exodus 20:11?

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opiejames
pitothefirstdecimel wrote:

If the days of creation aren't literal days then how did the plants survive? They were created a day before. Plants need the sun. On the first day, God created light. As in the thing that bounces of objects for our eyes to see. Basically, he created the ability to have sight. Not something which plants could survive on for years.

My position is that the sun was created before day 1 as part of Gen 1:1. 

Remember my earlier post said Gen1 was based on the perspective of someone on earth.  There was no light at the very beginning because is was not visible from earth.  On the first day the sky cleared up enough to see light, but not the sun, similar to a day with dark clouds.   

On the fourth day the sky cleared up even more, so the sun. moon and stars were visible.  Note that with this perspective the plants could be created on the third day because the sun was there, just not visible.  

jaredjm

Light was there, yes. But not the sun. He created the sun on day four. I think plants could have lived before day four, because they did, because God created them then. 

Dlittle231

I agree this is not a core issue. If we can't talk about this what can we talk about. The question is, is the story Literal or figurative. Either way God created every thing seen and not seen. We have one enemy and it's not each other

.pitothefirstdecimel I would never call you names we don't do that

 

opiejames

I contend the sun was there, just not visible.  Below are the 2 different original words from Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:16.  I included them for your reference.  They are different words.  Gen 1:1 implies made from scratch. Gen 1:16 suggests to become, the bring forth.   Also the word day is "Yom" which can mean 24 hours, but also could mean era or epoch. 

In Gen 1 the word for create is to create from scratch.  

bârâ'
baw-raw'
A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).

In Gen 1:16, where it said God made 2 great lights, the word for made is:

‛âśâh
aw-saw'
A primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application: - accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress (-ed), (put in) execute (-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, [fight-] ing man, + finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfil, furnish, gather, get, go about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ([a feast]), X indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare, bring (come) to pass, perform, practise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin, spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be [warr-] ior, work (-man), yield, use.

jaredjm

If the sun was there on day 1 how did he create it on day four?

Dlittle231

What God Almighty does and how he does it is mainly a mystery to mankind.

If we got the smartest man on earth that was dedicated more than all other Christians and he studied the Bible night and day, there would be many many things he could not explain.

We can only say what we believe and why. I can't tell you are wrong. There are theologians that live for the study of Gods word, They can't agree either. 

jaredjm

Well some of them have to be right, theoretically, you can't just say, "well, we disagree", and be done with it. We can't both be right, so (at least) one of us is wrong. I believe my view fits Scripture and the evidence in nature better. 

Dlittle231

Do you think God created plants knowing they needed light to live and waited four days later to provide light?

Dlittle231

Well some of them have to be right, theoretically

maybe which ones? maybe they are all wrong.

jaredjm
Dlittle231 wrote:

Do you think God created plants knowing they needed light to live and waited four days later to provide light?

He provided light. Just not the sun. That's what it says in Genesis 1. 

Dlittle231

Ok so the plants had light to live.

jaredjm

Right. 

Dlittle231

Ok I thought you said in post#152 that...... The days had to be literal because the plants could not live if the days were not literal.

opiejames
jaredjm wrote:

If the sun was there on day 1 how did he create it on day four?

He didn't create it on day 4.  It became visible for an observer on earth on day 4.  

jaredjm

Day Four:

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for isigns and for jseasons,6 and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 And God made [on day four here] the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day [how is that not the sun?] and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 to lrule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.

The Bible says he did create it on day four. 

opiejames

Please look at my post #161.  It is perfectly legit to say it means to bring forth.  Gen 1:1 (also defined in post 161) is a different word for create from nothing.  

Dlittle231
Dlittle231 wrote:

Ok I thought you said in post#152 that...... The days had to be literal because the plants could not live if the days were not literal.

Well there was light on day one that's all plants need to live. Can you tell me what that light was?

Let me go back a little, I'm not trying to tell you God did not create everything in six literal days I don't think so but I can't say for sure.

jaredjm
Dlittle231 wrote:
Dlittle231 wrote:

Ok I thought you said in post#152 that...... The days had to be literal because the plants could not live if the days were not literal.

Well there was light on day one that's all plants need to live. Can you tell me what that light was?

Let me go back a little, I'm not trying to tell you God did not create everything in six literal days I don't think so but I can't say for sure.

It was light. It wasn't the sun. It was light. I can't really explain it I guess, but that's what the Bible says. 

Dlittle231

Ok my friend there's a lot I can't explain either 

We know light can grow plants now does that prove my case NO I'm only saying there's a lot to think about.

stevetuck

Also, it would be wrong to say that the creation accounts where written from a merely human (earth-bound) perspective and therefore the light (having traveled billions of years) merely 'appeared' to the human observer on "the fourth day". For there were no human observers of Creation for humans were created at the very end of the Creation week. Instead, God's creation activity would have been revealed by God to the first humans, Adam and Eve and that creation story would have been passed on to subsequent generations, until finally it was written down by Moses in the book of Genesis.