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OK, I'm going to try to remember the things I've commented on elsewhere about v3. I'm not currently using it--I'm currently using an inferior version of v2 (why I say "inferior" will become clear)--so I'm sure I'll be forgetting some things. Next time I use v3, maybe I'll have my memory jogged.

Let me begin with two ways in which v3 seems to be an improvement. First, when I wrote forum posts in v3, they did not seem to vanish into the ether if I hit the wrong key, as happened in v2 (I never did figure out what the wrong key was). I didn't use v3 a lot, but if that really is a feature of v3, it's a big improvement. Second, on my home page, my list of groups now puts the ones I've last visited at the top. That's an improvement--not as big, but still, credit where credit's due.

And let me note something that I think you might already be aware of but that isn't exactly a v3/v2 issue. Years ago--it stopped around 2012, when an overhaul to chess.com was done--finished games, in addition to being archived, were sent to my personal e-mail (in this case, Yahoo). A diagram of the final position, the game's moves, and a link which, when clicked, opened a chess.com page on which I could play through the game to refresh my memory of it, came in the e-mail. It would be great to be able to take all of my archived games and all of my new finished games and have them automatically sent to my personal e-mail. (I saved them to a special folder and used some of them for instruction.)

OK, on to the v3 complaints, next post.

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One big complaint I had was with the analysis board's not being a popout, but I see from post 15 that that is being changed (yay!). You did ask why it was a problem. Here's why: I play Vote Chess. People write variations in comments without giving diagrams, sometimes. I want to be able to open the Analysis Board and then scroll down to where the relevant comments are and play through those variations. I can do that with a popout board. Also, with a popout board, I'm not going to forget that I'm in the game board instead of the analysis board and inadvertently make my game move when I think I'm analyzing. (Somebody just did that in one of my Vote Chess games.) Also, if I'm making a diagram to post, with a variation, having the popout (for both Analysis board and new diagram board) lets me put them side by side and copy from one to the other. So, having the popout matters.

Next: I hate having my list of new forum messages and new messages in Vote Chess games show up in the same list with no distinction made between the two. v2 showed a small chessboard next to my Vote Chess notifications. v3 doesn't. This is minor, but it was better in v2--why change it to make it worse?

Next: I hate having my list of new forum messages and new messages in Vote Chess show up in a list that I have to scroll down, instead of being able to see them all at once. If I'm replying, I have scroll, click, make my reply, return to my home page...and then scroll again. All that extra scrolling isn't too terrible, but it's the opposite of an improvement.

Next: Hidden options or commands or whatever the right word is. I don't want to have to move my cursor around the screen in order to be surprised by them. They should show up right from the start.

Next: Did someone decide that we are a nation of illiterates? Where is the improvement in changing the word "Quote" (in forums) to a pair of quotation marks--ones that are hidden, no less! Why must everything be in symbols instead of words? I can read. I don't want to have to figure out what a bunch of symbols mean; I want words!

Next: In the category of this-isn't-worse-but-it-isn't-better-so-why-was-it-changed: Why are "groups" now "clubs"? It seems like a change for change's sake.

Next: I hate the "conversation" message style. I hated it when Yahoo adopted it, and I hate it here. I now have to delete messages one by one. I sometimes take time away, and anyway, I often get lots of notifications, and being able to click through a whole bunch and hit "Delete" to get rid of them is almost a necessary convenience. One by one? (This seems to have infected v2--I can go to the v2 Message page and click through a bunch and delete them--but they don't vanish from my Home page anymore. I have to delete them one by one from my Home page now. That's why I said "inferior" above.)

Next: Again in the category of this-isn't-worse-but-it-isn't-better-so-why-was-it-changed, "Tactics Trainer" is now just "Tactics." Apparently, change for change's sake. (And in this case, the word "trainer" is actually informative, so why remove it?)

Next: In Tactics Trainer ("Tactics"), once you've done the problem and viewed its solution, you can't go back to its beginning and slowly click through the solution anymore--instead, you have to open an analysis board. The analysis board might be a nice addition, but I don't like having to use it instead of just using a back-arrow to go back to the start and a forward-arrow to click through the solution. Minor, but still worse than in v2.

Next: Aesthetically, I hate the look of v3--but that is, admittedly, a purely subjective judgment.

Next: In order to post a new forum topic, you now have to go back to the group's ("club's") forum page. You can't write a post in a forum thread, be stimulated to start a new topic, and start one right from where you are. Minor, but worse--and especially bad if you don't realize that that's what you have to do.

Next: Something I'm not sure I can blame v3 for is that pages seemed to load slowly, and sometimes improperly. Part of a page would show up, but not the rest. As I've started having trouble opening new tabs and getting pages elsewhere to open properly the last few days, especially when they have lots of pictures or videos, I'm not sure that can be laid at the feet of v3--although it happened in v3 even before the last few days.

Next: Sometimes, v3 pages open in a funny sort of way that I can try to describe, but that I can't describe well. Instead of words' showing up where they're supposed to show up, they show up on the left-hand side of the screen, down low especially, without the stuff that was supposed to go next to them. It's not what you'd see with "View Source," but that's the closest I can come to describing it. (If I recall correctly, that screen is blue or bluish.) If I use v3 again and if it happens again, I'll use PrtScn and see if I can give you an image of it--but I'm not highly motivated to use v3.

Next: For some reason, I am being told that I have only thirty invitations to make from one of the groups ("clubs") of which I am SuperAdmin.

Finally (for now, anyway), I am left to wonder two things: (1) What was the perceived need for a change from v2, and (2) How is v3 thought to be an improvement over v2?

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Oh, I forgot: creating a diagram is harder in v3. A very small point is that dragging pieces to the edge of the board, any edge, used to remove them, but now not every edge makes them vanish. I don't think that's the only problem, although it's possible that until I figured out that two of the edges still worked, I thought of making diagrams as harder than it really is in v3. If it was harder, I can't remember how it was harder without using v3 again. When I do, I'll note here how it's harder, if it is.

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Are we all!owed to complain about new problems with v2? Lately no exit from analysis board

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I'm having problems with "Cannot display Web page." I don't know whether it's chess.com or my computer.

I clicked on one Vote Chess game that had a new comment--Magical Chess, I think--and it just gave me a blank screen. Eventually, I closed the tab, opened a new window, returned to chess.com...and nowhere in my list of Vote Chess games does it appear anymore. (Magical, indeed. Sorcery.)

I'm having problems posting to forums sometimes, too. If I start writing a post, check something in another tab, then return to finish writing the post, I can't get the text editor to work. The page is just dead. I've had this happen a few times. I don't know whether it's v3 somehow infecting how v2 works or whether it's just my computer.

Oh, by the way, perhaps I'm unusual, but I don't want a board the size of my screen. I like a somewhat smaller board.

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After playing around with the chrome extension for a few hours last night I realised that the changing of colours of the font is not uniform, many items remain the default black regardless of what changes I made :-(

gambit-man wrote:

erik wrote:

Ah, I see. For that level of customization we offer the Chess.com extension! https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chess-browser-extension/fcfojodfingmafbdmlekaaoogcfpjegg

i dunno why you haven't been banging this out Erik, this could be hugely significant for a lot of people.

I've tried a few different font colours and have at least made it less harsh on the eye. It's still not pretty to look at, but significantly better than the black font on white background. 

Unfortunately, text in quote boxes and in the current box i'm typing into revert back to default black on white

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I have noticed at installation of Chrome extension that says it reads your browsing history Surprised. Is this ok?

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MindWalk wrote:

And let me note something that I think you might already be aware of but that isn't exactly a v3/v2 issue. Years ago--it stopped around 2012, when an overhaul to chess.com was done--finished games, in addition to being archived, were sent to my personal e-mail (in this case, Yahoo). A diagram of the final position, the game's moves, and a link which, when clicked, opened a chess.com page on which I could play through the game to refresh my memory of it, came in the e-mail. It would be great to be able to take all of my archived games and all of my new finished games and have them automatically sent to my personal e-mail. (I saved them to a special folder and used some of them for instruction.)

I want to add that for me, making that happen would almost make all the rest worth the trouble by itself.

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OK, I'm back to v3 so as to see what else I dislike about it. I issued two group ("club") invitations. Why does it say, "30 invites left," instead of saying, "30 invites left today"? Has v3 imposed a limit on the number of people I can invite to my group ("club")?

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OK, I was trying to look at a game (in Vote Chess, I think) and got a board that did not display properly, whereupon the screen froze.

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MindWalk wrote:

And let me note something that I think you might already be aware of but that isn't exactly a v3/v2 issue. Years ago--it stopped around 2012, when an overhaul to chess.com was done--finished games, in addition to being archived, were sent to my personal e-mail (in this case, Yahoo). A diagram of the final position, the game's moves, and a link which, when clicked, opened a chess.com page on which I could play through the game to refresh my memory of it, came in the e-mail. It would be great to be able to take all of my archived games and all of my new finished games and have them automatically sent to my personal e-mail. (I saved them to a special folder and used some of them for instruction.)

It is strange, because I am on V2 and my finished games are sent to my email (just as you described). I joined chess.com in the end of 2013 and set up receiving emails in 2014.

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hamerkop wrote:
MindWalk wrote:

And let me note something that I think you might already be aware of but that isn't exactly a v3/v2 issue. Years ago--it stopped around 2012, when an overhaul to chess.com was done--finished games, in addition to being archived, were sent to my personal e-mail (in this case, Yahoo). A diagram of the final position, the game's moves, and a link which, when clicked, opened a chess.com page on which I could play through the game to refresh my memory of it, came in the e-mail. It would be great to be able to take all of my archived games and all of my new finished games and have them automatically sent to my personal e-mail. (I saved them to a special folder and used some of them for instruction.)

It is strange, because I am on V2 and my finished games are sent to my email (just as you described). I joined chess.com in the end of 2013 and set up receiving emails in 2014.

on a chess.com email address?

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My contact email as set in Edit Profile Info

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Erik, is it possible/how possible is it to keep Endless Chess Quiz? I would really appreciate it if Endless Chess Quiz stays in Chess.com

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hamerkop, your experience suggests that in fact, having games sent to one's personal e-mail can be done even now. My question, then, is how?

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I don't want alerts sent to my e-mail address! I just want *finished games* sent there!

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(But thank you for the information.)

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MindWalk wrote:

I don't want alerts sent to my e-mail address! I just want *finished games* sent there!

It is not so bad - an alert is send only if I am not on chess.com. And it is only one. So in the morning when I switch on my laptop, if there is an alert I delete it from my email.