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evantbxx

During my personal studies I came across an argument -why does God let bad things happen on earth, it is logical that he does, and as a result he is either not all good or not all powerful-

now my simple answer was that : 1- if you were to explain this to a grieving person they wouldnt understand you because they just lost someone important and they might be blaming God - thats how most atheists come to be- so it comes down to a factor , namely - RANDOMNESS- A universal code embedded in the outline of the universe like math that God designed to govern the universe, think of it like quantum mechanics -nothing is deterministic, only in judgement day where if you have lived a good life you will be rewarded and if you havent, then the contrary- but you may ask me why the universe would of needed randomness, and here is where I reference our consciousness, the ability to discern good from bad all comes in from the same algorithm as randomness, just slightly tweaked, consciousness is necessary and came far before Adam and Eve ate the apple.

now the connection between randomness and consciousness is a bit harder to explain so maybe that was the breaking point,because i feel like i'm missing a key factor but just know that my doctrine is based on logic derived from basic biblical postulates (verses, laws, chapters, etc) so i still need to learn and improve as i'm a relatively new soul.

right, so please share your thoughts and personal answers to the question, thankyou

and lol, I forgot to explain randomness, so basically

If a container of Ping-Pong balls is held over a set of nails close enough together for the balls to be dumped in and spread randomly are nailed to a wall, and below them six containers are arbitrarily arranged, each one representing one of the following: prosperity, death, happiness, cancer, eternal-life, and broken hearted. Imagine you and your family are the Ping-Pong balls dumped in the set of nails and each one bounces off a nail and follows a random trail down into one of the containers, anyone falls into any container.

Life is just like that, the way we live doesn’t determine what we go through or what happens to us, it’s all random along with the fact that we must understand the importance of time and that there is a time for everything, we should also understand this concept, a God fearing soul could painfully and slowly die from the worst of diseases, the same way that a psychopathic serial killer who knows what’s wrong and what’s right that’s on a killing spree can infiltrate into society and live a happy life with prosperity. And when significantly negative happenings occur people are quick to say that it’s just a test, or that you’ll get double or triple what you suffered as a reward just as it was for Job, but people fail to realize the main point, those words are just mostly a coping mechanism, the point is that bad things happen on earth, no one is immune from it., not believers, not scientists in the lab, not God defendants like Christian apologists, not me, not you or anyone else, not even the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) was immune from the arbitrary nature of life as he was determined to suffer early on.

J-R-R-Tolkien

i think it is because the earth is now flawed from the entry of sin, and that sin came about from God giving us free will in the garden. this asks the question: why doesn't God fix these flaws? the answer is that He started a plan in Jesus, and that He is leaving it to fruition. He will fix and remove these flaws when He makes the new heavens and the new earth, but He doesn't do it now so that the full number of His elect can come to Him.

evantbxx

makes sense, intriguing concept

evantbxx

it correlates to why heaven is supposedly flawless

J-R-R-Tolkien
J-R-R-Tolkien wrote:

i think it is because the earth is now flawed from the entry of sin, and that sin came about from God giving us free will in the garden. this asks the question: why doesn't God fix these flaws? the answer is that He started a plan in Jesus, and that He is leaving it to fruition. He will fix and remove these flaws when He makes the new heavens and the new earth, but He doesn't do it now so that the full number of His elect can come to Him.

i also think we will still have free will in heaven, but we won't sin because our minds have been renewed by the Spirit (i don't remember what verse that is, but the renewing of our minds is a big point in the bible), and that we chose sin in the first place because our minds were not in alignment with God in the garden, at least not to the extent that they can be though Jesus.

Bassoonist1

I think there is definitely a free will aspect to it, but I also think that somehow God will work through all evil for good.

nomolos2

While in some since it could be termed "random" and that it appears that way to us humans. God is sovereign over all and knows and controls every bit of the universe around us.

As for free will, that is an interesting topic of its own

Alouette_Du_Matin

I don't see how this is compatible with an omnibenevolent God. Wouldn't he want a perfect, suffering-less world? Why would he create a random world, or one so full of pain? If he's omnipotent, why wouldn't he do it? I've always thought that one of these tenets would have to be given up to resolve the problem of suffering, especially in animals.

Bassoonist1
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I don't see how this is compatible with an omnibenevolent God. Wouldn't he want a perfect, suffering-less world? Why would he create a random world, or one so full of pain? If he's omnipotent, why wouldn't he do it? I've always thought that one of these tenets would have to be given up to resolve the problem of suffering, especially in animals.

A very silly and shallow analogy, but think about when you work out. It’s painful, but you grow through it. God always brings good out of evil. Sit on Genesis 50:20 for a little bit.

Alouette_Du_Matin

What about for animals? They suffer, but lack the intellectual capacity to grow from their suffering. A common example is a deer in a forest trapped under a fallen tree, dying slowly and painfully of starvation. Why would an omnibenevolent God let that happen? What about babies? Say you have a baby, just born, and it dies. How is that good for the baby? And the parents? I don't think there could be much emotional growth out of such a life-ruining tragedy.

Bassoonist1
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What about for animals? They suffer, but lack the intellectual capacity to grow from their suffering. A common example is a deer in a forest trapped under a fallen tree, dying slowly and painfully of starvation. Why would an omnibenevolent God let that happen? What about babies? Say you have a baby, just born, and it dies. How is that good for the baby? And the parents? I don't think there could be much emotional growth out of such a life-ruining tragedy.

This is a good question. I'd recommend you research different historical responses to this. Augustine thinks that animal death is not necessarily a problem for Christianity. C.S. Lewis has written on this topic as well (The Problem of Pain, chapter 9). The view I think is the most plausible (and also explains animal death before the fall) is Angelic Fall Theodicy (check out Dr. Gavin Ortlund on this here).

Alouette_Du_Matin

I looked into it, and it was very interesting, but wouldn't an omnipotent God be able to prevent Satan from causing an harm to the animals his omnibenevolence would want to protect?

Bassoonist1
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I looked into it, and it was very interesting, but wouldn't an omnipotent God be able to prevent Satan from causing an harm to the animals his omnibenevolence would want to protect?

This is a fair concern, but I would say a couple things in response.

First of all, Revelations says that everything good will be redeemed. Animals are good, so I tend to believe that individual animals (including that one deer) will receive some sort of recompense for any suffering they went through here.

Secondly, we can't really understand the ways of God, no matter how much we try. This makes sense given that God is infinite and we are finite.

Alouette_Du_Matin

How can animals be good, though? I don't think they have moral structures like humans do. Objectively, a lot of their behavior should be considered as bad. But why would they suffer in the first place? If I had a new car, and some guy came and smashed it, then told me I'd get a Ferrari as recompense, I still wouldn't want my car smashed.

Secondly, isn't saying "we'll never understand God's ways, so we have to accept his behavior blindly" a poor excuse? It doesn't remove the problem, it just sweeps it under the rug.

nomolos2

If there was no evil, God could never show his grace, mercy, compassion, ect. And on the animals, I dont think that they are moral beings or that they have an after life. But all suffering was caused by the fall in the garden. Also, if animals aren't moral beings,then that means that their suffering isn't evil

nomolos2

And while saying we can't understand might sound like and excuse -and it can be fallaciously be used as one- it is an honest truth, how could our little three pound brains ever hope to understand and infinite God?

Alouette_Du_Matin

I'm afraid I don't understand. God allowed suffering and evil to exist in this world so he could play the hero and save us from it? Also, even if suffering isn't evil, wouldn't an omnibenevolent God want to prevent it?

nomolos2

God made man and everything else for his own glory and as the bible says, God has the right to do whatsoever he wishes with his creation. just as a potter as the right over the clay to make from one lump a vessel used for honor and another for dishonor, so God has the right to do the same with the things he has made. for another thing, you are presupposing that man is naturally good and does not deserve the bad things that happen to us, but "all have sinned and fallen short" and deserve nothing but hell and it is only the mercy of God that sinful man isn't sent strait there right now. so who are we -wicked, disobedient, fallen sinners- to be discontent with the problems and discomforts that we face in this life?

Alouette_Du_Matin

I just don't think that's very nice of an omnibenevolent God. My parents aren't allowed to beat me just because they made me and I misbehaved.

nomolos2

While they might have made you physical, it was God who made your soul And ultimately God who made you and planned every detail of your existence. And man is always right or "nice" in his own eyes, Hitler thought he was doing the world a favor by eliminating the Jews. And as God said "My ways are higher then your ways and my thoughts are higher then your thoughts." God didn't make man for man's sake, he made many for his own sake and to bring him honor and glory and pleasure, and just because our sinful and fallen hearts don't always perceive this as "nice" doesn't change it.