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Mate, do you really think that Hikaru is cheating?
You can check all of his games, anytime.
And he's no.3 in the world, was no.1 in blitz in 2014.
Pretty weird you accuse him of cheating...

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@cbetz71 --  Way to hijack an 8-month old thread. And we're all the poorer for it.

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cbetz71 írta:

[...] theres no way hikaru made 350 moves in less than 3 minutes without assistance [...]

Here.
Hikari is known for making 150+ and 200+ moves in 1/0 time controls. 350 is really not that much for him.
Feel free to check those games, he is well documented, considering he's no.3 at the moment.

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cbets, you can find all the games you have played here:

http://www.chess.com/home/game_archive?sortby=&show=live&member=cbetz71

Post links to the games you find suspicious here.

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cbetz71 wrote:

i understand that hes using pre moves? thats what i meant by assistance. i thought that was obvious by my very detailed explanation that you over looked(the part where i talk about clicking,moving,clicking,etc)

The only thing obvious from your stories is that you know very little about online chess.

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cbetz71 wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
cbetz71 wrote:

i understand that hes using pre moves? thats what i meant by assistance. i thought that was obvious by my very detailed explanation that you over looked(the part where i talk about clicking,moving,clicking,etc)

The only thing obvious from your stories is that you know very little about online chess.

sure,if you say so it MUST be true! unfortunately for you,im talking about the laws of physics,which i happen to know a great deal about. feel free to keep attacking me rather than addressing the issue. we can go back and forth all day and you will still be wrong. its IMPOSSIBLE to make a move that fast without assistance. that doesnt mean cheating,only that its against the laws of physics for a human to accomplish the feat on his/her own. unfortunately for me, the only way to prove this to you would be in person. i would welcome ANYONE to play face to face,without any software assistance,to glady prove my point. obviously this is unrealistic since none of us will ever meet...

OTB, with elementary checkmates, I have been able to execute a checkmate in ten in five seconds. Internet is faster.

 

Understand that such speed is not the norm, but one good moment. Practicing QKvK one night at chess club, a friend and I put ten seconds on each clock and took turns playing the stronger side. Seven seconds was typical. There were a few, very few, embarrasing stalemates. My record was five seconds. His was six.

 

Internet is easier because moving the piece takes care of the clock.

 

What is your point that I have neglected? Your inaccurate fantasy concerning the laws of physics?

According to physics, in American fooball it is impossible to intercept a pass thrown from the one yard line because you must jump for the ball before it is thrown. Nonetheless, the Seahawks did not win the Super Bowl because once this season such a pass was intercepted.

Or, are your cheating accusations the point? You really should read the TOS for this site.

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Well cbetz, it goes both ways. Just because you say something doesn't mean it is so. How about at least trying to prove your point in some way, instead of endlessly shouting about it? So far we have seen none of the games you are referring to and we have no way of knowing if somebody actually made 15 moves in 6 seconds like you claim. Maybe it just felt like that to you, maybe you just see cheating every time you lose? See the problem?

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What is at issue here?  Is this now simply a debate as to how fast one can move without using the premove feature?

Give it a rest, guys.

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You seem to have a very short memory and your ability to understand written text seems to leave a lot to desire. I want you to give some kind of evidence of this cheating that you say you have witnessed.

As to how fast moves can be made. I'm not an expert on online chess, but as others have said it might be possible. I know that many competitive computer gamers can be ridiculously fast when playing and as an example you might want to check out poker pro Randy Lew (a.k.a. nanonoko) on YouTube. He regularly plays 24 six-handed poker tables at once online. The speed at which he must process information and execute commands is awesome and would seem impossible until you see him do it. After that, concentrating on one chess game and making 15 moves in 6 seconds does not seem so impossible.

I don't like your rude behavior and have no need to further try to converse with you, so I will stay out of this until you bring something more tangible to the conversation.

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Wow you guys are still going? Let me try and settle this. You guys want cbetz to post proof right? Posting games won't tell how fast the moves are made just the quality of the moves so we would have to take cbetz at his word. That being said, cbetz if u post a game that you say these 15 moves in 6 seconds occurred in we can see the quality of the moves and if they are all well calculated moves in that short of time then yes I would call bs on that especially from say a 13 or 1500 rated player. Even IF they were fast enough with premoves to pull it off no way would they all be good moves.

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Thanks for the very informative link, Crappov! I was writing my reply when you posted, but that explanation further corroborates what I and others have been trying to explain to cbetz, hopefully he will finally get it too.

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cbetz, it's 24 tables with 6 players each, the lower amount of players per table the faster the game will run. Before he did it, I don't think anyone would have believed it would be possible to do it profitably without cheating.

It's probably not impossible to make 15 moves in 6 seconds in online chess, if one has good pattern recognition and reflexes. With premoves it is very much possible.

As to rudeness, have I called you a cheater, scumbag, jerk or moron? I may not have been at my politest, but they way you converse, you hardly deserve it.

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cbetz, I had to go back and check my previous posts in case I had suffered amnesia, but no, I don't think I have been rude or backhanded in my posts. Apparently you are confusing me with someone else.

As for me being ignorant, that seems to be your standard reply to anyone who disagrees with you, so I won't be too offended. And I am sorry for saying that you called someone a jerk, when in fact you only used the words moron (repeatedly) and scumbag.

In any case you seem to have made up your mind that you are correct and everyone else is wrong, so further discussion seems pointless. Feel free to have the last word and watch out for those cheaters, they are everywhere!

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Not only is 15 moves in 6 secs possible, its not even difficult.  cbetz is just a typical example of a player who believes that everyone who beats them is cheating. 

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16 moves in 7 secs close enough cbetz?  I just won this game against an 1850 rated player.  Could probably have played the opening a little quicker.

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So there's the proof you've been requesting...

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cbetz71 wrote:

. im sorry but i just cant dumb down my point any further.

Maybe that's the problem. I don't usually stoop that low to lift a point when someone is rambling incoherently.

Maybe if you tried writing like an adult.

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cbetz71 wrote:
Crappov wrote:

What is at issue here?  Is this now simply a debate as to how fast one can move without using the premove feature?

Give it a rest, guys.

yes,that is simply my point.

I doubt that I could make 15 moves in six seconds, but in some circumstances, I have made 10-12 moves in that time. However, that's with the premove feature.

I've played enough bullet to know that lots of players are much faster than me.

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cbetz71 wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
cbetz71 wrote:

. im sorry but i just cant dumb down my point any further.

Maybe that's the problem. I don't usually stoop that low to lift a point when someone is rambling incoherently.

Maybe if you tried writing like an adult.

again with the insult. ok you effing moron,what was said that you couldnt comprehend?

You rant about insults while calling another a moron??


I think you need a mirror.

 

Your posts lack the basic structure of normal writing. I use the term "rambling". I have not weighed in on my estimate of your IQ. Should I?