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I suspect there is a distributor/importer who used this codex. Not sure why they didn't just use the factory codex, this is one of the Chavet mystery again. 

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Castle00-GX wrote:

Do you think the Didatto set might be as valuable as the Chavet set, although I'm going off-topic with this.

No, it was a budget/mainstream set. The company itself, it's a toy manufacturer that sells various toys besides chess sets. Here in the Netherlands there was such company that also sold localized version of French set, it was called Revanche. It was also two woods set, boxwood/rosewood.

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What would you think then, would be a good price to buy a Didatto rosewood set with a 93mm King?

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@Walterbiensur

I am familiar with the references you are showing as well, I just assumed they used both.  But now I did some digging around and look at more labels, it raises an interesting question.  Why would they use two reference number systems on labels that seem to be across the same periods?  Also the hand writing on many of the b numbers does not look 'factory' to me (i.e. the penmanship of someone writing hundreds of labels over and over again).  Whereas the other reference numbers looks as if someone writes these things all day.  Very curious.  I think Michael's thought about a distributor using this system makes sense.  And perhaps an owner here and there with a faded label are scrawling what they think the correct ref is as well.

I have a question, I think this has been pointed out before.  What is the current theory on sets that are essentially a No6 or No8 Chavet but with 'other' knights?  I have a few sets like this.  None are labeled with Chavet boxes, but based on piece pattern and the way they've been finished they appear very much like Chavet sets to me.  Was Chavet sending out sets with these 'other' knights with plain boxes to be rebranded or sold by some retailers?

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What Mr. Chavet also told me:
initially almost all manufacturers had identical knight.

Chavet then created the knight you are referring to. Lardy copied this knight and even offered to Chavet to make them for him, which he refused.

At the beginning of the 70s, he created with his father the one-piece knight, which will have several transformations over time.

At the end of the 1980s, when Lardy went bankrupt, he bought the machine from the Lardy knights, which he still owns.

These famous knights are from Chavet. By observing them correctly, we can recognize them. Their base is shorter than the Lardys, while all other pieces are the same as you'll find in a game with Chavet knights.

example : Lardy 6 on the left- Chavet 6 (1980) on the right.

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Have a look at this one: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-chavet-staunton-chess-set-3759875564

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Made by Chavet yes. I have the older 85mm version.

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The original link, a little expensive… Chavet, yes.
 
Found in a box size 4


 beachero a écrit :

 

A number 5

And here is what I observe on Chavet boxes for export.

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@Walterbiensur Thanks, this has been my suspicion for a while as well.

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In https://www.ajedrezeuropa.com/piezas/130-660-staunton-europa-caoba-mate.html#/69-piezas_europa-45 you can see what I think is the Spanish version of a Chavet set, called in this shop "Modelo Europa". 

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Eventhough the knight has some similarty with Lardy knight, I really like what Chavet did with keeping the base wide. 

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I forgot to specify that. The game is referenced as a 343. On the left in version 6, on the right in 4 and in the middle, the intruder cut like a Christmas tree wink.png

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Here is the size 6 unleaded I bought last week at Rouge et Noir in Paris. The seller said they had many QC issues with Chavet (one pawn was chipped in one of the two size 6 sets they had for instance.) They get 2 sets in s6 per month, production has slowed to a crawl. Chavet's son at 70 seems unwilling to invest in the machines to get things going properly again (the shop offered to invest in some machines but Chavet refused.) They won't be weighted anymore because it's too much work, and they lost staff

apparently. Even the felt is added by the shop...The box says nothing about Chavet. 

Beautiful set though, the flaws are very minor (some machine marks on the knights). I am getting an indian 'repro' next week, I shall compare both...

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Large ball top Queen and blind Knights. That is indeed a new, modern Chavet size 6. Upon close examination, if all the pieces are straight. Count your blessings. Hah! Love those swirls. No Indian reproduction will have that. 

I mentioned in another thread that these Chavet size 6 sets are still in production, but another member contradicted me and said it was not true. Although I speak a little bit of French, it's not nearly good enough to carry a conversation. So I did not follow up with Jura Buis and just let it go. Here is the original thread. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/chavet-size-6-95mm-3-75in-king-is-officially-back-in-production?page=1

If you purchased the Chess Empire reproduction, it is based off of the Chavet B210. It is a Chavet Size 6, but a slightly different style. It'll be nice to see your comparison nonetheless. Start a new thread so it doesn't get buried. Good luck!

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Pawnerai a écrit :

Large ball top Queen and blind Knights. That is indeed a new, modern Chavet size 6. Upon close examination, if all the pieces are straight. Count your blessings. Hah! Love those swirls. No Indian reproduction will have that. 

I totally agree with this, the proof:

I mentioned in another thread that these Chavet size 6 sets are still in production, but another member contradicted me and said it was not true.

The operation of Chavet is a little more complicated than that, and it's safe to say that both are right. Jurabuis made all the parts and resold them, except for the knights that Chavet produced for Jurabuis. The 6 were discontinued several times, because of the boxwood disease, because of the covid (resellers did not replenish their stock for fear of confinement and the impossibility of reselling them), then the bankruptcy of Jurabuis...). Mr. Chavet confirmed to me that he wanted to try to continue the adventure, but the situation of Jurabuis penalized him enormously. Since then, games N°6 can be found from time to time at certain retailers.

If you purchased the Chess Empire reproduction, it is based off of the Chavet B210. It is a Chavet Size 6, but a slightly different style. It'll be nice to see your comparison nonetheless. Start a new thread so it doesn't get buried. Good luck!

Personally I don't like the reproductions, I find them too far from the original game (153/6). Especially the knight who should look like this. But I understand that we can enjoy them.


Here is another 156/6 that I also love, with its imperfections and the years passing by.



 

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Is this set a Henri Chavet one?? Someone can help me to identify it, please?? I can send more pics if needed, thanks!! (My grandfather bought it circa 1940's)

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@Pazuzu107 It does not look Chavet or French to me.  Based on the large collar/small head bishop, it looks German or south American (Brazil has a rich chess set making history).  Since you are in Brazil, you may consider posting to https://www.facebook.com/groups/603874686964478/?ref=share. I’m not great with wood species, but that is probably a clear clue.

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Hello, 

I was planning on selling one of my Chavet sets to someone who is also a collector. The reason to sell is that I am saving for an apartment so I would be ready to hand it to someone who appreciates it's value. In the following days I would be posting few detailed photos, so please contact me by PM if you are interest. Only serious offers please. It is a Vintage Chavet Nr. 6. 

Regards, Niko

 

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Here are the photos:

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