Ok found it. Searched openings on this site and found a great tutorial at a basic level. Just what I needed.
Now I remember why I don't like chess books.
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Search for a copy of Batsford Chess Openings. Most people don't like it for the exact reason you do -- zero comments, just lines and lines of variations.
Oh wow. Thanks. I also found a database on chessvideostv.
Jun 21, 2023
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DesperateKingWalk wrote:
Opening books are obsolete. I have not bought one in years.
Chessbase 17 and a analysis chess engine is what you need. And all you need.
Disagree...'engine analysis' doesn't teach you ideas. Ideas can move mountains....engine analysis can move one to quit chess.
Thanks for the heads up on Chessbase 17.
I was hand loading linux on 40mb hard drives back in the day and recognize what a boon open source has been. So blatant violators of open source will simply not get my money. The whole "all the players" is also in their marketing materials but you can find GMs that suggest other things. The price smells like Giffen.
Jun 21, 2023
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DesperateKingWalk wrote:
You are wrong. The best opening ideas are all from chess engines. And with the tools from chessbase. It makes the job easy.
All the best players use this method for a reason along with many amateur players.
That is why when you talk to GM players they will tell you many amateur players. Today have better opening preparation then GM players of 10 years ago.
Again....engines don't tell you what it is showing you. That's why I take weakies out of the their engine stuff and club them over the head when it comes to OTB especially. Words are important to understanding.
Jun 21, 2023
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Actually, the pgn you uploaded proves my point (So, thank you for that)!
Referencing past games and giving symbols to show what line might prove better (but maybe not easier to play...) than what was played - none of it tells you the whys' of what you should be trying to do in this or that pawn formation, where the weaknesses are how how to create or exploit them, which pieces you should be trying to trade...etc, etc; so the overwhelming majority of players get no real help from the reams of stuff available like you just posted.
BTW, I've had EVERY SINGLE Chessbase since #7 (maybe it was 6) right up to the current 17.
Electronic info...like an Everyman Publishing e-book where all the relevant words to guide and explain things works like a charm....and you can update them. Simple engine analysis like you post...does not. Reading a good book - electronic format or otherwise...might take you rating a well beyond that 1400-1500 online it is at. That a 1500 is even looking for "TN's" to spring on someone is...amusing.
Jun 21, 2023
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DesperateKingWalk wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
Actually, the pgn you uploaded proves my point (So, thank you for that)!
Referencing past games and giving symbols to show what line might prove better (but maybe not easier to play...) than what was played - none of it tells you the whys' of what you should be trying to do in this or that pawn formation, where the weaknesses are how how to create or exploit them, which pieces you should be trying to trade...etc, etc; so the overwhelming majority of players get no real help from the reams of stuff available like you just posted.
BTW, I've had EVERY SINGLE Chessbase since #7 (maybe it was 6) right up to the current 17.
Electronic info...like an Everyman Publishing e-book where all the relevant words to guide and explain things works like a charm....and you can update them. Simple engine analysis like you post...does not. Reading a good book - electronic format or otherwise...might take you rating a well beyond that 1400-1500 online it is at. That a 1500 is even looking for "TN's" to spring on someone is...amusing.
That is not what he is asking for.... And again you do not own Chessbase 17. This is just the outline. And if you do have CB, learn how to use the software. Why don't you use something before commenting on something you do not use or understand.
And I am not 1500, and I guess you are going to try and impress me with your rating. So what, I am a member of the St. Louis Chess Club. I can not walk down the hall without running into a GM or IM. You are a nobody just like me.
And I am a Region 7 champion.... So What.
It does not mean I need to be out played by anyone in the first 15 moves.
Dude...you've got issues....beyond those 'psychic abilities' when mislead you into think I do not own and use Chessbase. Now...go away please and play with your engines.
Jun 21, 2023
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DesperateKingWalk wrote:
So I guess you are done! Trying to impress me with your huge rating.
Done, yes, but....just like to think I know when I would be beating my against a brick wall. So...
Thx Lorax
DesperateKingWalk, thanks for the video. I subscribed to check out some of the others.
I have found these books...
Batsford Openings. DeFermian's "Modern Chess Openings." And Nunn's Chess Openings. They are all similar and very good.
Speelman's "Pocket Encyclopedia of Chess Openings" is also good.
There's a weird one by Bill Wall called "Chess Opening Blunders" that is also interesting though I'm not sure I understand it. Something to work towards I suppose.
Jun 25, 2023
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You should watch more of the channel - they extol the virtues of chess books left and right...ranking them, reviewing them, telling how you can learn to play better by studying them. 
Jun 25, 2023
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DesperateKingWalk wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
You should watch more of the channel - they extol the virtues of chess books left and right...ranking them, reviewing them, telling how you can learn to play better by studying them.
Correct, but we are talking about opening study.
And even when it comes to openings they continue to recommend BOOKS...you know, with 'words' that 'explain' things...physical, electronic - either way.
You are not likely to find anyone anywhere recommend your average (lets say 1500 rated) player to cull data from game scores from databases and use engine analysis to 'get better'.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree with that it seems.
Jun 25, 2023
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That might be why the eternal search for the magic bullet keeps 'most players' at very amateur levels.
Notice that even your screenshot does not tell you what you should be thinking about that might lead one to think of ...Ba6. I know why one does.
I'm only 'arguing' with your statement about all one needs is "chessbase 17 and a engine". That's just absurd. But like I said, we will have to agree to disagree. Good luck with your approach.
Jun 25, 2023
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DesperateKingWalk wrote:
This is a study method developed by GM Kasparov in the 1990's to study openings with the very first Chessbase. And since then has been used by many players at all levels.
Feel free to buy all the ECO's books you wish. The rest of the chess world has moved on.
And the training does tell me what I need to be thinking about in my opening. What is the next best move of the theory, or TN. And do I know it and understand.
And then the training continues.
But you suggest the old way, and never do analysis of your openings with the chess engine, and learn the positions that come out of your openings with the aid of the computer.
You seem to enjoy arguing against THINGS I AM NOT SAYING. Did I ever mentioned those languageless 'ECO's' ? No. Quite the opposite, I say an expert in the opening will tell you WITH WORDS what you should be looking at and on the look out for and need to be aiming to do.
Did I ever say to "never do analysis with a chess engine?" No. In fact, I use the current version of Stockfish and Komodo (often with e-books) daily and within Chessbase 17, but then I've been playing tournaments for 40 years...peak rating 2160+, peak ICCF (pre-engine) of 2399 and feel chess educated enough to use them. Yes...I do it all in a program which the 'all knowing DesperateKingWalk' tells me I do not really have. 
So, stop with the 'strawman' arguments and behaving like a 15 yr old. I should have taken the advice of a man named Shaw about "Never argue with a ****, they will only drag you down to their own level and beat you with experience". So...one LAST TIME, we will have to agree to disagree and may your approach quickly help you get well above your current rating. END.
Way back in a previous life i bought some chess books. The only one I liked was Bobby Fisher Teaches Chess. And I'm remembering why. So I'm opening up books and not finding what I want. A simple list of openings with their basic moves and some variations WITHOUT boatloads of commentary. Or any commentary ideally.
I know, I know. Blah blah blah. Steiner this, rote learning that. Don't need a lecture.
So where is the most concise basic list of openings with their moves WITHOUT the commentary and particularly without showing every bad move a dull opponent can make? Right now it's looking like Wikipedia openings list and clicking on the active links. Thx in advance.