Reproduction and Real Jaques of London Chess Set

@EZY1981
"the inward retail sales funds on the website are probably going direct back to India Bank"

When Apple manufactures iphones in India and sell them in India, won't money go direct back to USA bank?

Ok then man, if tax dodging is your thing , no problemo 

Oh it's the new way !! Ah you see, I had no idea about the new way ...So good luck with that to all using the new tax dodging method...

Then every company in Silicon valley is Tax dodging. Every Corporates does that. This is not tax dodging. This is avoiding unnecessary cost, avoiding double taxation, avoiding unnecessary labour.

You still didn't answer for this

"When Apple manufactures iphones in India and sell them in India, won't money go direct back to USA bank?"

@EZY1981
Tax avoidance is a completely legal procedure while Tax Evasion is considered to be crime in the whole world.
Tax Avoidance is defined as a practice of using all the legal means to pay the least amount of tax possible.
Tax Evasion is a crime in which an individual or a business entity intentionally underpays or hide their certain amount of income in order to save more amount of taxes.

I think you have confusion understanding various concepts and terms in business.

Again, you are trying to make something out of nothing.  A Canadian company and individuals must pay taxes on profits to the Canadian Government.  They don't pay import taxes on goods they don't import, nor should thay.  And it would make no sense to bring goods into Canada if they are destined for elsewhere. 

Similar business models are commonplace as the example of Apple.  Look at all the stuff you can order off EBay or Amazon that comes from different countries.  Where are the profits going?  It doesn't really matter where the shipping is from,. the business entity still needs to deal with its own tax burden according to the laws where they are located.  

You are labeling a standard business practice as tax dodging.  If you are doing something different and paying more tax because of it, maybe you need to re-evaluate your own strategy rather than criticizing  someone elses better plan.  

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@forked_again
+1. Perfect and clear.

Go create your own thread. Can't you see we're in the middle of a snit here?

Explain then why it is necessary to emigrate to another country and register it there ? What does it benefit ? 

Please stay on topic. No advertising other clubs in this thread unless it is related to the thread topic.  Also, no tax evasion talk anymore or anything else that is way off-topic.  

@EZY1981
That you should ask to Amazon, Apple, Ebay, etc. Because they are the one who emigrate to India and every other country and register there in names of Amazon India, Apple India, Ebay India, etc.

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One of the reproduction sets listed on the first page of this truly monumental thread was from TheChessPiece. Does anyone know who made those sets for them? Boredom has recently caused me to measure and weigh just about every set I have. Then I had Excel calculate the standard deviations for each set. That basically tells how well the pieces in each set compare to themselves. For instance, how each pawn conforms to all the other pawns and so on. Then, just for kicks, I totaled the std deviations for each set and compared them to the other sets. This may not be very scientific but I thought it would give an indication of the quality and the care put into each set. It turned out that the 1849 reproduction from TheChessHouse had the best scores, meaning the sizes and weights of the pieces more closely conformed to some standard than any of my other sets. That doesn't mean they are good reproductions of the 1849 set, just that the sizes and weights of the pieces don't vary as much as my other sets. The only other set I have that came close is a higher end Craftsman from HOS in olive wood and cocobola. All of my sets (about 8 or 9 wood) can be considered mid to higher end sets. If you consider that three of them are Marshall sets from HOS in different woods.

So anyway, who made these sets? When I bought this one they were having cracking problems, I believe from using improperly cured wood, but the craftsmanship is top-notch.

I think I have tentatively answered my own question. The Chess Piece says their craftsman are in Amritsar. They also state they provide certificates of authenticity "such as that supplied by Chopra". Chopra's web page displays set designs I've seen nowhere but at The Chess Piece. That leads me to believe that Chopra is at least one of their main suppliers.

Hey Gome, (as Andy would say)

To kind of go against your logic there was a discussion about the "value" of NOJ chess pieces because they are hand crafted individually without the help of templates or automation that could knock out a bunch of identical pieces quickly.  I have my doubts that NOJ does things much differently than other manufacturers, and a set of noticable variation between pieces would not be desirable regardless of how much old world craftsmanship went into it IMO.  But that is how some people justify the NOJ price.

This brings up the question of how many of the more elite manufacturers exist in India. Of the total of elite Chess set manufacturers how many are in Amritsar and if there are others where are they located?

Hours of sanding, finishing, polishing...wood drying/quality...staining...that's where the quality comes from; there's more to it than "knocking out a bunch of pieces on a lathe with a template". I believe Noj spends roughly 30 hours per set (labor = cost). Jonas mentioned in a video that it takes four hours of sanding to polish a single knight from the kerrock BCE set...the majority of the labor is probably on the finishing side, not the actual turning side. Someone posted here recently about the kings from a set he just bought (from a manufacturer I will not name) developing leans within just the first three weeks of receiving it...no one has ever reported an issue like this with a Noj set.

Being one that owns 6 Noj sets I will tell you that my opinion is there is no justification for their high prices.

Look, they are nothing more than a woodworking shop operated by the two brothers with their retired father coming in to do the finish work.

They make their main income turning fountain pens for the European market.

Gregor has told me, more than once, that they started and now continue to make Chess sets because their father wants them to do so.  I’m sure Gregor is into it now though himself.

It has been argued that they raised their prices to discourage people from ordering too many sets. I don’t know if that’s true or not.

I bought my first Dubrovnik Walnut (now called II) set in May 2010.  With the extra Queens and through a US retailer, I paid $418, delivered.  Today, 10 years later to the month, that same set costs about 660 Euros, or $716.  That’s a 72% increase in price.

When they raised their prices they would make bigger, like 50 Euro, jumps in price.  I don’t know why, but I do know how much.

Comparatively, set prices at HoS have increased from negative, lower prices than before, to zero, to a high of a 40% increase in those same 10 years.  Plus HoS now has added shipping into that list price instead of adding it on.  The point is the market has not seen anything like the price increase of Noj.