Some questions about chess software...

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Elo_of_0

I'm thinking about getting a version of Fritz chess software. Fritz 12 looks nice but it's a lot more expensive it seems than 10 or 11. Is there a huge enough difference to be worth the extra money? And will all three analyze my games and save it in PGN (or whatever it its) format?

Also, I am thinking on getting an iPod touch chess app. I like the looks of the Fritz Chess one, and the Shredder chess. Which one is better? Do they both calculate your Elo rating based on the games you play on them?

Thanks for any input.

DeepGreene

I'm not up-to-date on recent versions of Fritz, but I think that the *main* differences between XII and its forebears have to do with the user interface, which has been completely overhauled.  Versions 10 or 11 will certainly analyze and store your games, in any case.

On the iPhone-app front, I personally prefer Shredder to Fritz.  I reviewed my favourite chess apps in this blog post, if you're interested in more detail.

Cheers

Elo_of_0

Now I'm thinking that Fritz 9 might be good too, as it's super cheap. Is there a big difference between 9 vs. 10 or 11?

tommygdrums

If you are looking for super cheap you can download the LEGALLY free Chess GUI Arena available here.   After that you could download a LEGALLY free version of Rybka here.  And there are other legally free engines around that are also super strong!

That would be the most cost effective way to go.  If you want to spend money I personally prefer the Shredder GUI and Engine to anything that Fritz does.  But that is just my opinion.

ogerboy

From what I've read, Fritz 11 have the calcalutation training, which Fritz 12 scrapped. I am curious on the opinions of others on the calculation training feature.

chessoholicalien

DeepGreene is absolutely right.

Btw, you can buy Fritz 8 plus a several hundred thousand game database from Walmart for about 10 bux. It's called Fritz Grandmaster Challenge or something like that.

tommygdrums
chessoholicalien wrote:

DeepGreene is absolutely right.

Btw, you can buy Fritz 8 plus a several hundred thousand game database from Walmart for about 10 bux. It's called Fritz Grandmaster Challenge or something like that.


Fritz Grandmaster Challenge was my first computer chess software.  It crashed MANY many times.  I had to take it off my computer.  I think if budget is a concern there is better and stronger legally free software out there.

chessoholicalien

It always worked fine for me...

LAGER

The best chess software on the market is B.R.A.I.N Broad Ranging Analog Information Network. Get one and use it wisely!!

Elo_of_0

If I had to choose between Fritz 10 or 11, which would be better? Is 11 better because it's newer?

Also, I've heard that some chess software come with some sort of free 1 year membership to chess.com, do Fritz 10 and 11 come with it?

DeepGreene
Elo_of_0 wrote:

If I had to choose between Fritz 10 or 11, which would be better? Is 11 better because it's newer?

Also, I've heard that some chess software come with some sort of free 1 year membership to chess.com, do Fritz 10 and 11 come with it?


If it's Fritz you're talking about, it's a playchess.com membership you get, not a chess.com membership.  With 12, it's a complimentary one-year term.  Based on this page, it looks like the same goes for 11.

tommygdrums
Leonidas56 wrote:
tommygdrums wrote:
chessoholicalien wrote:

DeepGreene is absolutely right.

Btw, you can buy Fritz 8 plus a several hundred thousand game database from Walmart for about 10 bux. It's called Fritz Grandmaster Challenge or something like that.


Fritz Grandmaster Challenge was my first computer chess software.  It crashed MANY many times.  I had to take it off my computer.  I think if budget is a concern there is better and stronger legally free software out there.


Plus it's no longer supported by anyone. Viva (who distributes the mass-market Fritz Grandmaster Challenge) never supported it, instead sending users to ChessBase (or third-party vendors ) for support. I don't believe ChessBase supports anything prior to Fritz9 or 10 anymore.


I would almost go so far as to say Chessbase doesn't support anything they do.  :)

Michael_H

I have the Fritz app for the ipod touch.  It's a very nice program, though to answer your original question, I do not believe it has any sort of elo rating system based on the games you've played. 

philidorposition
Elo_of_0 wrote:

I'm thinking about getting a version of Fritz chess software. Fritz 12 looks nice but it's a lot more expensive it seems than 10 or 11. Is there a huge enough difference to be worth the extra money? And will all three analyze my games and save it in PGN (or whatever it its) format?


Why purchase a weaker engine when you have a much better one about the same price? I'd suggest you to either wait for Rybka 4 to come out and until then use the free Rybka2, or if you can't wait, just purchase Rybka 3.

DeepGreene

Rybka 4 is due out soonish then?

Elo_of_0

Well Rybka 3 is about $50-$55 (google products), whereas Fritz 10 is cheaper at around $15-$30 (google products). Is it worth the extra money? By no means could I beat any of them at their highest setting, but would a stronger engine still be worth it? Can both Fritz and Rybka do the same things? (analyze games, different training things, etc)

philidorposition
Elo_of_0 wrote:

Well Rybka 3 is about $50-$55 (google products), whereas Fritz 10 is cheaper at around $15-$30 (google products). Is it worth the extra money? By no means could I beat any of them at their highest setting, but would a stronger engine still be worth it? Can both Fritz and Rybka do the same things? (analyze games, different training things, etc)


Sorry I've understood you wrong. I was commenting about purchasing fritz 12 vs Rybka 3. However, before purchasing fritz 10, you should note that there are stronger engines available for free, like rybka 2.

the answer to your question is yes, they can do the same things (except the monte-carlo analysis and a few new interface features Rybka 3 has, but I've never used them in years). The only difference is that Rybka will give you better and much more natural-looking lines while analyzing. Money is kind of relative, so that's for you to decide if it's worth, it would be wrong for me to say anything about that.

rigamagician

The Chessbase versions of Deep Rybka 3 and Deep Fritz 11 are exactly the same.  Fritz 12 also seems to have all the same features with a slightly different skin.  Some people say that the Fritz 12 and Deep Fritz 11 engines are similar to each other in strength.  I am not sure when Chessbase started offering support for UCI engines.  As far as I can remember, Fritz 8, 9, and 10 all had very similar interfaces, but progressively stronger engines.

philidorposition
rigamagician wrote:

The Chessbase versions of Deep Rybka 3 and Deep Fritz 11 are exactly the same. (...) I am not sure when Chessbase starting offering support for UCI engines.


No, they are not. Deep Rybka 3 version has some new features like monte carlo analysis, the analysis display is different, it shows what the engine is working on too, instead of just the mainline, and you can determine a threshold for multiple variations.

Chessbase already supports UCI engines. Rybka is a UCI engine.

rigamagician
philidor_position wrote:
No, they are not. Deep Rybka 3 version has some new features like monte carlo analysis, the analysis display is different, it shows what the engine is working on too, instead of just the mainline, and you can determine a threshold for multiple variations.

Chessbase already supports UCI engines. Rybka is a UCI engine.


My version of Deep Fritz 11 has Monte Carlo analysis listed in the menu, and shows the line that the engine is working on.  Perhaps there is an update that you are missing, or when you install Rybka, it over-writes Fritz.

Early versions of Chessbase and Fritz did not support UCI engines.  I don't remember exactly when they brought this feature in, but it might have been around the time of Fritz 8 and Chessbase 7 or 8.