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ChuckVinson

I'm confused. So will we be getting the original size and color in plastic?

mikecantreed1
ChuckVinson wrote:

I'm confused. So will we be getting the original size and color in plastic?

He's saying no...only white.  Not the original color, which is what created so many enthusiasts and why this entire thread was created.   

Eyechess

And the size will be taller than the original.

KnightsForkCafe

DGT plastic set in my opinion has the best off white color that would have been the right color for the UCP v3.0. Since the new ones are only going to be white. I will pass on them. 

mikecantreed1

^ Looks great.  Isn't having pure white chess pieces a chess equipment 101 no-no?  White pieces on white squares make it harder to see.   I would bet my soul that if you took a poll the results would overwhelmingly favor the original cream color over pure white.  

 

I think the excitement over white had more to do with how much people hated the yellow.  They saw the white prototype and obviously preferred that despite the color being suboptimal.

ChuckVinson

I don't know anyone who would prefer pure white. 

Eyechess

I think the white that Shelby speaks of is an off white.  I will call him later today and find out.

PeterR2

I really like this color, unfortunately that color is not available anymore.

InvisibleHand

Super excited for the new plastic sets to be ready!

RussBell

Shelby - I think I can safely say that all (or virtutally all) of us are hoping that you will come up with a winner!  I certainly am, as I would like to own one of your iconic plastic Ultimate sets!  I do believe you are trying your best.  Thanks for keeping us posted.

RussBell

@Eyechess -

I notice that ChessUSA lists the plastic Ultimate set.  Also, there are two photos on the web page of the set.  One photo is clearly of the original "cream" colored edition.  But the other photo appears to be that of the current "yellow" edition, although the rendering of the color on the web page appears more tan than yellow.  

Can you shed any more light on all this?  Thanks....

https://www.chessusa.com/product/61-302.html

 

Eyechess

Well, you are right.  The 2 pictures on that page look like one is the newer butter color version, while the second picture looks like the original version.

I have an original version as well as a newer one.  I also gave a newer version to a friend at our club that always uses an original version.  All I can say is that he never uses the newer version, and neither do I.

But I am a big fan of wood pieces.  When the air clears, I’ll be using my wood Ultimate from The Chess House and the HoS Wood Drueke version 2 set for my club play.  Of course for the fast stuff it’s my HoS Rosewood Liberty set from 2000.  For my other times it’s my Noj Dubrovnik Minceta. And for my slower timed stuff it’s my HoS Craftsman in Blood Rosewood.

If I use plastic it will be either my original Ultimate or my Drueke copy from Chess.usa

Eyechess

You see, I’m honest to a fault.  I would much rather buy and use that Drueke copy at Chess.usa for under $20 any day than spend the $50 on that Ultimate.  And this is what I use.  That Drueke copy is in the front bandolier part of a HoS Deluxe Tournament bag while my Noj Dubrovnik II Brown stain is in a Plano box in the main compartment with a couple of clocks and boards.

I’ll probably put the Minceta in the main compartment for awhile.

And my original plastic Ultimate is in a lamb skin bag from American Chess Equipment in the Dewain Barber days, with a board and clock.

RussBell
KnightsForkCafe wrote:

DGT plastic set in my opinion has the best off white color that would have been the right color for the UCP v3.0. Since the new ones are only going to be white. I will pass on them. 

 

I own these "non-electronic" (i.e., without RFID chips) DGT pieces.  They (the King) is exactly 1/2 the weight of that of Shelby's original Ultimate pieces (both of the same height, 3-3/4 inches).  The plastic is a cheap, brittle kind, of the type used for children's toy sets.  They don't come even close to being of the same quality of the Ultimate Chess Pieces...

DGT pieces...

https://www.chesshouse.com/products/dgt-designed-plastic-chess-pieces

Ultimate Chess Pieces...

https://www.chessusa.com/product/61-302.html

jmNZ69

Shelby,

To get triple weight with steel rather than lead means an increase of about ⅓ of the volume of the lead weight. You could consider tungsten (wolfram), which would HALVE the volume needed for a steel weight. And it's not that expensive at $300/ton.

And no chance of a blood red ultimate set?

RussBell

Shelby -

Doubtful that anyone will typically be using bleach to disinfect their chess pieces.  It's very caustic (at full strength) to everything including plastics, and will burn your skin on contact.   The active ingredient in all hand sanitizers and the product that is mostly likely to be used, is ethyl alcohol, as it will kill the Corona Virus and is not harmful to the skin.   Even isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol will work, though is not quite as potent as ethyl.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/cleaning/a31402790/what-kills-germs/

crusaderwabbet

I use isopropyl.  Ethyl evaporates too fast. Clorox on every thing else.

RussBell
ShelbyLohrman wrote:
RussBell wrote:

Shelby -

Doubtful that anyone will typically be using bleach to disinfect their chess pieces.  It's very caustic (at full strength) to everything including plastics, and will burn your skin on contact.   The active ingredient in all hand sanitizers and the product that is mostly likely to be used, is ethyl alcohol, as it will kill the Corona Virus and is not harmful to the skin.   Even isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol will work, though is not quite as potent as ethyl.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/cleaning/a31402790/what-kills-germs/

Russ,

You'd be surprised...many of the tournament directors I have talked to have talked about using Clorox wipes to clean their pieces.  Many chess teaching organizations too!

 

This is why I went to the top 3 companies that make plastic chess pieces to see what they use for plastic and what they recommend for cleaning.  Turns out 2 of the companies use PP and one uses GPPS Polystyrene for their pieces.  

They all recommend an alcohol based solution for the cleaning of their pieces.  You are right, the bleach in a Clorox wipe will damage the plastic over time.  They are saying the solution should be over 75 degrees when used to help with the disinfecting.

Funny, even to me they are saying that pieces should be swapped out every 1/2 year or so.  They are even trying to sell ME!!!

But the main thing here is we all need to be safe and smart with all of this.  Please remember that all alcohol and bleach based solutions will affect the glues used to hold the felts on the bottom of the pieces.  Let's make sure not to mess those up!

 

thanks

Shelby lohrman

American Chess Equipment

Wood Expressions

 

Of course, bleach is capable of killing any microbe - bacteria, virus, etc.  However "Clorox Wipes" do not contain bleach.  They contain a "germicidal" solution, comprising lots of different chemicals (some of which will irritate the skin).  Nevertheless, Clorox claims that the Clorox Wipes are effective against Corona Virus, when used on hard, non-porous surfaces...

https://www.allrecipes.com/article/clorox-disinfecting-wipes-dont-contain-bleach/

https://www.clorox.com/resources/coronavirus/products/

Note in the following that it is recommended to avoid using Clorox Wipes on your skin (see the section on one of the chemicals in the ingredients - hexoxyethanol)...

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/do-clorox-wipes-kill-coronavirus-ingredients

https://www.clorox.com/products/clorox-disinfecting-wipes/crisp-lemon/

from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) - List N: Disinfectants for Use Against SARS-CoV-2...

https://www.epa.gov/pesticide-registration/list-n-disinfectants-use-against-sars-cov-2

Finally, note that the term "disinfect" or "disinfecting" does not necessarily mean that the product kills Corona or any other virus - it may, or may not, depending on the chemicals comprising it.  The term typically refers to killing bacteria.  Or when they are trying to avoid being specific, they will use the term "germs".  That is, not all products that kill bacteria will also kill viruses.  So don't be misled by the term "disinfect" (or "germs").   Be sure to carefully verify all claims relating to "disinfecting" when it is used in the context of Corona Virus!

AlphaMelon

Shelby, just give us bleach/ivory. And what about a burned red to go with it. Pleeeez

mikecantreed1
AlphaMelon wrote:

Shelby, just give us bleach/ivory. And what about a burned red to go with it. Pleeeez

Dude stfu he's distracted enough as is.  Just get the original reissue right and then you can do rainbow or whatever tf else you want.