Ultimate Chess Sets in Metal

KnightsForkCafe

Metal chess pieces are more of a novelty set. Nothing for serious play. Me personally have no desire to purchase metal chess sets. Which ever way you go doesn't bother me since I will not be purchasing one of these sets. 

I think that doing the Ultimate Chess Pieces in aluminum and screw in weights along with lock tight would be a better way to go in my opinion. You have so many anodizing color options with aluminum that you can't do with metal. Be a cheaper option as well. I would buy an aluminum weighted set over a plated metal set. Shelby you might give aluminum a try for the Ultimate Chess Pieces.   

KnightsForkCafe
RonnieDP wrote:

That's a good point, using aluminum.  But don't forget... size matters.  Bigger is better, especially at that price point.  How big?  If I may ask?

I think that he is going to make it the same size as the current Ultimate Chess Pieces set. I think that anodized aluminum with screwed in weights. That are tournament sized would be the way to go in my opinion. 

PBKid

Anodized aluminum would be my choice as well. But the black/silver and black/gold sets may not fly.

PBKid

@ShelbyLohrman

I found this set online.

https://www.bestchessset.com/janus-silver-and-bronze-extra-heavy-metal-chess-pieces-with-4-5-inch-king-and-extra-queens-pieces-only-no-board/

Its comparable to what you're discussing @ a weight of 5.34 lbs. It's electroplated zinc.

 

 

BattleDuck
PBKid wrote:

@ShelbyLohrman

I found this set online

 

 

 

Yah, for me that set is totally no go. That silver is so shiny you would blinded be ceiling lights and/or staring at 16 reflections of yourself whole game. Way too distracting to play with.

56ANAVZ
Here’s the one I purchased:

https://www.chessbaron.com/chess-X2026.htm

We have used it for the board one set in our local tournaments and had no complaints.
ShelbyLohrman

Hey all,

I love the feedback.  We are trying to make the best products possible, so we need all you can give us.

This is the thought process so far:

A non solid chess set would be unbalanced.  If it had cavities on the bottom, it might get top heavy and unplayable especially with the taller pieces like the king and the queen.  Yes, we could weight the bottoms, but then we have to deal with how to keep the weights from loosening up, right?

These are going to be made out of steel.  Other metals just get too expensive and hard to work with.  

The sets will come with fitted boxes.  Each piece will have their own space cut out in the foam.

They will have the heavy pool table felt.  We thought about using the leather or leather looking vinyl on the bottoms, but that material can scrape up a board when they dry out.

The pieces will have a heavy duty plating on them.  this is not indestructible, so they will show wear with heavy use if you are not careful.

There will only be 150 of these sets made in the run.  130 of the Silver/Metallic Black and 20 of the Gold/Metallic Black.

I will keep you informed the closer we get to production and receipt of the items.

 

thanks

Shelby Lohrman

American Chess Equipment

www.amchesseq.com

RussBell
PBKid wrote:

@ShelbyLohrman

I found this set online.

https://www.bestchessset.com/janus-silver-and-bronze-extra-heavy-metal-chess-pieces-with-4-5-inch-king-and-extra-queens-pieces-only-no-board/

Its comparable to what you're discussing @ a weight of 5.34 lbs. It's electroplated zinc.

 

 

the light (silver) pieces are too highly polished, shiny and reflective - i.e., too distracting...

the finish on the dark (gold) pieces just looks like crap...

IMO, of course....

KnightsForkCafe

@RussBell I agree totally. The main reason I don't buy metal chess sets. Either you have to plate them or paint them. One is distracting and the other takes away details.

RussBell

@ShelbyLorhman -

I would suggest that you give serious consideration to the recommendations given thus far by others for aluminum pieces....however instead of anodized aluminum, I would suggest checking out what may be a better, more robust surface coating process for the application....

ELECTROPHORESIS....recommended here to be a better, more durable coating than anodized....

https://www.sunshielder.com/aluminum-surface-treatment/

and instead of a shiny, highly reflective finish, go with more of a "flat", or "matte" finish...

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-flat-and-vs-matte/

http://www.perfectionindustrialfinishing.com/news/16-new-anodize-finishes

https://www.sharrettsplating.com/blog/which-metal-finishing-option-is-for-you/

A question for those who might know - can aluminum pieces be produced from a mold....i.e., pouring molten, aluminum into a mold?  If not, how would the pieces, particularly the knights, be rendered from solid aluminum?  As well as creating the desired type of surface coating/finish - polished, flat, matte, etc....

GMproposedsolutions



Actually I think it would be nice to have one of gold and platinum. To keep the cost down, I suggest nickel plated tungsten and titanium nitride coated tungsten. Who wants to make me a set for free for offering the idea?

PBKid
RussBell wrote:
PBKid wrote:

@ShelbyLohrman

I found this set online.

https://www.bestchessset.com/janus-silver-and-bronze-extra-heavy-metal-chess-pieces-with-4-5-inch-king-and-extra-queens-pieces-only-no-board/

Its comparable to what you're discussing @ a weight of 5.34 lbs. It's electroplated zinc.

 

 

the light (silver) pieces are too highly polished, shiny and reflective - i.e., too distracting...

the finish on the dark (gold) pieces just looks like crap...

IMO, of course....

I only shared that as an example of weight and reflection. The more I look the less I'm into metal pieces. More of a Collecter's item. I just bought in on the buttery set. Don't know if

I'll reorder them or wait for the new run. But this is definitely my favorite set right now.

 

 

ShelbyLohrman
RussBell wrote:

@ShelbyLorhman -

I would suggest that you give serious consideration to the recommendations given thus far by others for aluminum pieces....however instead of anodized aluminum, I would suggest checking out what may be a better, more robust surface coating process for the application....

ELECTROPHORESIS....recommended here to be a better, more durable coating than anodized....

https://www.sunshielder.com/aluminum-surface-treatment/

and instead of a shiny, highly reflective finish, go with more of a "flat", or "matte" finish...

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-flat-and-vs-matte/

http://www.perfectionindustrialfinishing.com/news/16-new-anodize-finishes

https://www.sharrettsplating.com/blog/which-metal-finishing-option-is-for-you/

A question for those who might know - can aluminum pieces be produced from a mold....i.e., pouring molten, aluminum into a mold?  If not, how would the pieces, particularly the knights, be rendered from solid aluminum?  As well as creating the desired type of surface coating/finish - polished, flat, matte, etc....

Hey Russ,

Appreciate the recommendation on the aluminum pieces, but the process of making them is WAY too complicated.  Add on the fact they would have to be weighted and you are adding another layer of complexity to the process.  Knight forks Café was saying we should screw the weights in and lock them in with lock-tite would not work well. I doubt anyone wants to see screws protruding out of the piece.   I would much rather just have the piece itself be the "weight".  There are less things that can go wrong.

The thing is the process of making them has to be clean.  Every time the pieces have to be handled there is an extra cost.  Every part adds cost too.

You have to remember that a metal set is something more for the home, most people don't want to lug them around.  

 

Keep the ideas coming.  I might not take all of them, but I love the input.

 

thanks

Shelby Lohrman

American Chess Equipment 

RussBell

@ShelbyLorhman -

Gotcha.  I understand your point of view and can't take much issue with it.  I just wanted to toss in my two cents to prompt you to consider every possibility that I and others have thought of.  However, it sounds like you know what you are doing!

Keep up the good work Shelby!

KnightsForkCafe
ShelbyLohrman wrote:
RussBell wrote:

@ShelbyLorhman -

I would suggest that you give serious consideration to the recommendations given thus far by others for aluminum pieces....however instead of anodized aluminum, I would suggest checking out what may be a better, more robust surface coating process for the application....

ELECTROPHORESIS....recommended here to be a better, more durable coating than anodized....

https://www.sunshielder.com/aluminum-surface-treatment/

and instead of a shiny, highly reflective finish, go with more of a "flat", or "matte" finish...

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-flat-and-vs-matte/

http://www.perfectionindustrialfinishing.com/news/16-new-anodize-finishes

https://www.sharrettsplating.com/blog/which-metal-finishing-option-is-for-you/

A question for those who might know - can aluminum pieces be produced from a mold....i.e., pouring molten, aluminum into a mold?  If not, how would the pieces, particularly the knights, be rendered from solid aluminum?  As well as creating the desired type of surface coating/finish - polished, flat, matte, etc....

Hey Russ,

Appreciate the recommendation on the aluminum pieces, but the process of making them is WAY too complicated.  Add on the fact they would have to be weighted and you are adding another layer of complexity to the process.  Knight forks Café was saying we should screw the weights in and lock them in with lock-tite would not work well. I doubt anyone wants to see screws protruding out of the piece.   I would much rather just have the piece itself be the "weight".  There are less things that can go wrong.

The thing is the process of making them has to be clean.  Every time the pieces have to be handled there is an extra cost.  Every part adds cost too.

You have to remember that a metal set is something more for the home, most people don't want to lug them around.  

 

Keep the ideas coming.  I might not take all of them, but I love the input.

 

thanks

Shelby Lohrman

American Chess Equipment 

Shelby you wouldn't see or feel the screw if you counter sink the hole. I used to be in machining and done many counter sunk holes. If you CNC the pieces out of aluminum. You will be amazed how quickly they will be made. Much better fit and finish than casting them. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuED2IbdcOs

Haverumwilltravel


Brass and Pewter makes a great contrast.