Who Can Identify This Soviet Set?

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cgrau

Okay, now, who can identify this Soviet set? Hint: it recently has been reproduced, though some would say imperfectly. The Black King's Rook is a replacement.

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UpcountryRain

cgrau, those are some interesting bishops. I've never seen bishops with flat tops like those. They seem reminiscent of the hats that russian and greek orthodox priests use, especially the black bishops. The set seems to be from the same era as your 1940 set.

Did you recently acquire this? It's very nice.

And that board has a nice color to it. Quite different from the red and dark red boards of the time.

cgrau
Actually Teichmann, this set is extremely rare and of historical significance.
BurnAmos

UpcountryRain:

This set has bulbs in Bishops! Loook at the Black Bishops, and  White one! This sets had bulbs of the same color of is pieces ( unlike many Soviet sets!).

Teichmann70: This set is a rarity, and a treasure!

Well, okay, a Forum like this Humor also has its place.
I like You Teichman 70, because your opinion  about Soviet chess sets are something like "I sleep with them, I was classmate of them, they are my breakfast, lunch and dinner”, and we realized that not a dry bread crust  you can arrange.
Interest , until your nickname is funny because Richard Teichmann could do more with a single view that you with two… relatively chess pieces of course

As someone told Chavez: “Porque no te callas?

The great Greek philosopher Socrates in Classical Athens had a famous phrase to opinions like yours, but ... Let us stay here!

I like you Teichmann and your honor, the great, the true, RICHARD the Fifth!


UpcountryRain

BurnAmos, at first I was inclined to think that the bishops had bulbs at one time that broke off later. A close look at the second pic looks like there might have been something atop the black bishops, especially the Queen's bishop. But what stopped me was the King's white bishop in the first picture. While the Queen's bishop looks like it may have had a bulb at one time, the top of the King's bishop looks pretty intact. And the patina on that surface looks like it hasn't been touched at all.

Of course, I could be very wrong, and it would not be the first time.Smile

I defer to your expertise.

UpcountryRain

Aside from the knights, here is a very similar set:

It supports the argument that the Soviets liked finials on their bishops.

BurnAmos

Well UP

I think that the King's bishop looks pretty intact or don´t belong the set,or it was sanded, planed and then painted. Incidentally note a curiosity: why only the Bishops bulbus disappeared, some brand that been there?
I have a theory: these sets had some bishops with bulbs others do not, and someone like fashion or took the bulbs to these ..
This set is fabulous and deserves two things. The replacement of the Original Black Rook, and the Bishop Bulbs, and we have a set of...That Is the time of the one of the match .... No I can not tell the secret . Chuck Yes!
This September is Clearly of 33-40 aged! An Historic Treasure of Soviet chess set. My God, the reproduction do not match the original, never! This "patina", this simplicity, the "smell" of this pieces are faboulous!


I'm Envious?
Never. I Swear! When I see people Like Chuck or  You, or some lovers Soviet chess sets in Chess Com, buy these beauties, I am as happy as if I got it, believe!

Thanks.

BurnAmos

Ah! The Knigths of the set that you put in photo, are rare and wonderfuil.

KholmovDM
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Beautiful set! I personally don't recognize it, but there's something cool about this particular photograph.  The indigo written letters in the top half of the box compartment show how to pronounce, using Russian equivalents, the letters which designate the chess files, so that those who don't read English can properly pronounce their moves. happy.png 

Bawker
If I'm not mistaken, Chessbazaar recently reproduced that set as the "Botvinnik-Flohr 1935" set.
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Ding Ding Ding. Bawker gets the ring!
CrimsonKnight7

Congrats Chuck on the acquisition, and thanks for sharing.

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CrimsonKnight7 wrote:

Congrats Chuck on the acquisition, and thanks for sharing.

Thanks, Ed. And you're very welcome.

cgrau
UpcountryRain wrote:

cgrau, those are some interesting bishops. I've never seen bishops with flat tops like those. They seem reminiscent of the hats that russian and greek orthodox priests use, especially the black bishops. The set seems to be from the same era as your 1940 set.

Did you recently acquire this? It's very nice.

And that board has a nice color to it. Quite different from the red and dark red boards of the time.

Up, it's on its way from Russia. I'll give it a full photo review once it arrives.

BurnAmos

"Ding Ding Ding. Bawker gets the ring"

Yes, but you can not compare perfume (this fantastic set) with scented water. This set has  patina, character, color age.
Let's say ... an "old man" with style.

Some historical reproductions of chess sets are similar to that guy buying model clothes, but it is not a model and then is tragically ridiculous in clothes. No This set .
Exudes class and age by all the pores of wood and chipped paint the pieces.
One more  treasure set in this Forum. I Wash the eyes of joy when I look for a set like this.

Congratulations Chuck.

Well...a litlle help...


UpcountryRain

cgrau, when I look at your newly acquired set in the context of the pictures that BurnAmos provided, then I can congratulate you on an excellent acquisition. What a treasure! I am sorry that those bulbs are not to be found on those bishops. Yours is the only set that I have seen "in the flesh" like those found in those pics.

If, however, I were to compare your new set with the reproduction put forth by ChessBazaar, then I would say that the only thing - the only thing - that the two sets have in common is the knight. I can see that. Anything else, no. Looking at their set, I have no idea at all of what ChessBazaar is reproducing. No wonder BurnAmos goes crazy when he sees such work!

Judge for yourselves.

cgrau's new set:

The CB reproduction of the Botvinnik - Flohr set:

What, exactly, did they base their set on?

Even the 1950 set that goodknightmike posted is closer than CB's reproduction:

Sure, the Bishops and Rooks are obviously different, as is the Knight. At least in the Knight you can see the family resemblance. The King, Queen, and pawns, too, are clearly of the same family.

Here are the royals:

And a pic of the set in use:

In short: 1) Be glad for those pics that BurnAmos posted here. They give a huge boost to your set. 2) ChessBazaar has no business calling their set a Botvinnik - Flohr reproduction.

Well, cgrau, now that I got that off my chest, I look forward to seeing detailed pics of that gorgeous set. (Especially those knights!) It's really an exciting and excellent find and definitely another gem in your crown of jewels.

CrimsonKnight7

The knights are so cool. And Up, I like the finials on the bishops, on the pic you posted it makes it easier for me to tell the queen from the bishops. Beautiful sets all around.

Thanks for sharing guys.