1. e4 vs 1. d4 - Chess Forums - Page 15

cameroncam67 · 2008-12-20T01:23:53-08:00

This forum is where we will discuss which first move is better. e4 or d4? Cam

ModestAndPolite

Jan 21, 2017

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#281

We all have our unique reasons for choosing the openings we regularly play. I hate playing against the Sicilian. I have tried the main lines (black has Scheveningen, Dragon, Najdorf, Kan, Sveshnikov amongst others), 2. c3, the King's Indian attack, 2. f4, the wing gambit, the Morra gambit (sorry Ken Smith), the Rossolimo and found that in all of them Black has ways to create positions where I felt uncomfortable, even if objectively they were playable.

So I am forced to play something else. 1. Nf3 is too much work, because of all the possibilities for transposition and rarer moves like 1. Nc3, 1. b3, 1. f4 etc. do not appeal, so I am forced to open with either 1. d4 or 1. c4, and fortunately none of Black's tries against those bothers me as much as the Sicilian.

ModestAndPolite

Jan 21, 2017

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#282

tob1a5 wrote:

Smith Mora is the answer. Black doesn't get much in any of the variations regardless of what you've heard, perhaps you're just playing it incorrectly.

That is not the problem. I just don't like the positions White gets in any kind of Sicilian. I want to enjoy my chess. I don't want to sit there for hours playing positions that I don't like, when I could be enjoying myself in a 1. d4 game (or doing something completely different).

As for the Morra gambit (why does Smith get to add his name) I think it is just bad. Or rather, it is only good for a draw. If I was still playing 1. e4 it would not be my choice against 1. ... c5.

Optimissed

Jan 21, 2017

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#283

ModestAndPolite wrote:

tob1a5 wrote:

Smith Mora is the answer. Black doesn't get much in any of the variations regardless of what you've heard, perhaps you're just playing it incorrectly.

That is not the problem. I just don't like the positions White gets in any kind of Sicilian. I want to enjoy my chess. I don't want to sit there for hours playing positions that I don't like, when I could be enjoying myself in a 1. d4 game (or doing something completely different).

As for the Morra gambit (why does Smith get to add his name) I think it is just bad. Or rather, it is only good for a draw. If I was still playing 1. e4 it would not be my choice against 1. ... c5.>>>

That's right, the position is about equal. Three tempi in the opening is worth a pawn and white gets two and a half tempi for it. It only works against blunderpusses.

ssalmonsnake

Jun 14, 2017

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#284

E4. The Sicilian is not bad, you can either transpose or just play the Rauzer System

LM_player

Jun 14, 2017

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#285

I vote e4. Most d4 games end up slow, boring, and quiet.

Amara_Fray

Jun 14, 2017

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#286

both are equally good in their own ways

EpicAwesome61636

Nov 13, 2017

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#287

I vote e4 because its more fun

EpicAwesome61636

Nov 13, 2017

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#288

On explorer there are 879354 e4 games to 692967 d4 games. There are 186387 more e4 games than d4 games

Optimissed

Nov 13, 2017

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#289

aadaam wrote:

For rubbishy amateur players like myself 1.d4 has a tendency to produce tame, boring games; bits develop onto better squares, bits get swapped off with no harm done, nothing happens. 1.e4 gives you more chance of an exciting game; you're drawn into a 'situation' which only one player will survive.>>>

And that's the very reason why 1. d4 is superior for people who understand some of the ideas and who are prepared to put some work into improving that understanding, because, as you admit, you don't understand how to produce tension in QP games. One only has to walk into a chess congress and eavesdrop at random, to hear conversations along the lines of "I've no idea how to play QP games against well-prepared players and I just hack it and hope for the best". It even exists in Major tournaments, although hopefully not in Opens.

KnightSpooken

Nov 13, 2017

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#290

Optimissed wrote:

aadaam wrote:

For rubbishy amateur players like myself 1.d4 has a tendency to produce tame, boring games; bits develop onto better squares, bits get swapped off with no harm done, nothing happens. 1.e4 gives you more chance of an exciting game; you're drawn into a 'situation' which only one player will survive.>>>

And that's the very reason why 1. d4 is superior for people who understand some of the ideas and who are prepared to put some work into improving that understanding, because, as you admit, you don't understand how to produce tension in QP games. One only has to walk into a chess congress and eavesdrop at random, to hear conversations along the lines of "I've no idea how to play QP games against well-prepared players and I just hack it and hope for the best". It even exists in Major tournaments, although hopefully not in Opens.

"BULL!!" ...

And that's the way I see it! ... H'heh-Hah! - eh? - 'champs'!

EricEmenheiser

Nov 30, 2017

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#291

both suck . . . same boring, predictable crap everyone else already fully knows. 1. g4!!

mckn3hd

Nov 30, 2017

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#292

Both moves are refuted now. You should look for something different.

AlCzervik

Dec 4, 2017

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#293

Looks like mckn3hd's account has been refuted.

Swarnava-Biswas

Dec 4, 2017

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#294

both are best moves!

kindaspongey

Dec 4, 2017

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#295

"1 P- Q4 This is the best move on the board - and so is 1 P-K4 !" - Irving Chernev

DbIM9

Dec 4, 2017

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#296

nice

LTwo

Dec 4, 2017

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#297

C4 is the best

JeffGreen333

Dec 19, 2017

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#298

AlphaZero says that 1.d4 is the best. I tend to agree.

DANISH_IRFAN

Dec 21, 2017

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#299

e4 may against with Sicilian or French defense.....and d4 may against with ragozin defense

DANISH_IRFAN

Dec 22, 2017

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#300

but I like to play c4