1.d4 2.c4 is cheating

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Yea. I agree. Sorry but I think I'm out. But listen here Yuri, I'm a 1300 player and I've seen that opening. Not once have I fallen into a trap. Yea it may be slightly awkward for me but honestly, I can still beat 1500-1800 range even with this. Now King's gambit...that's a little more complex than this one.

And to answer your previous argument that a 1000 may study this opening and than beat a 1300 here's my response. Traps, especially at 1300 only work once. If he has seen that trap or opening before you can do say good bye to winning, he'll most likely still win. Besides any player should be able to beat 200 points above their rating especially at this low level. So 1000 beating a 1300 is not impossible.

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Does anyone know more about the Kevitz-Trajkovich defense? It seams like it has some good lines, but I am not familiar with it and don't want to get my knights chased around.

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i found 2 great game, both Nakamura use Queen's Gambit vs Carlsen. Naka lose twice to Nimzo-indian

1- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1745310&kpage=1

2- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU4TgP9BmbU

ok opening not cheap at high level. still cheap for low level.

i use nimzo-indian now for stop cheap players. Thank everyone for help.

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One more thing to know for th Nimzo - your opponent may try to avoid the pin by playing Nf3 (or a3 - but Nf3 is better) - if that happens, play b6 and Bb7 - fianchetto of the light square bishop. This is the Queen's Indian - the sister of the Nimzo. 

 



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Thank you Alison. i like it. you can put black bishop on a6 for attack c4 pawn.

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Yes you can! I've never played the Nimzo from the black side, but it's very dynamic, flexible, and full of ways to break down white's positon. I wish you all the best with it!

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nobodyreally wrote:
Yuri_K wrote:
AKAL1 wrote:

A general idea in King's Indian is to reroute the bishop to f8, where it defends d6, protects the center, and allows black to pawnstorm white's king

why not put bishop at e7 1st ?

That reminds me of the time some GM's was teaching some children.

He explained that in a certain position in the queens gambit white was aiming to push e2-e4. After he desperately tried to convince the children why this was such a good plan, one of the children suggested:

"If you really want to play e4 why don't you do it on move 1?"

He put his coat on and left.

I wondered the same thing for a moment when reading something about white planning e4, then I realized that you'd have a radically different mood as the plans, pawn structures, and imbalances would be those of a 1.e4 game and potentially run into a Sicilian or Ruy Lopez black knows better whereas 1.d4 is easier to just sit down and play chess with less memorization.  Memorizing theory is still important as white with 1.d4,especially against nasty knight hornets of the Leningrad Dutch and Budapest.  Though I circumvent both cases with 2.Nf3 and if possible in the Dutch's case h4-h5-Nxh5-Rxh5-gxh5-e4 and black is very uncomfortable with an exposed king for the exchange sac.  However, as black myself I play the 2.Nf3,d6 move order so I can refuse to play ...g6 if white prematurely tries h4. 2...g6 is a useful object of attack like I said before.

 

After 1.e4 black equalizes easier since white has a stronger but shorter initiative (and can run into the French and other nasty goodies, have fun defending the d4 base that black has fast and convenient access to while preparing to attack e6 via f4-f5 yourself) whereas with 1.d4 the initiative is more subtle, both players simply develop their pieces and delay the real game towards the proper middlegame (castling, develop minors, connecting the rooks).  Then again I'm more comfortable against a Pirc/Modern setup than a KID because e4 is already established, but even here the Modern is very different from a KID despite seemingly subtle pawn placement differences. 

 

In the KGA I like e3 better than e4.  Though 2.e4 is very sound and playable it's one of those openings that requires theory since black can pressure the d4 pawn and white needs to hold onto it.  e3 is more solid supporting the d4, which is always an object of attack for black. 

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@ tubebender. It's a true story. I was present at the same venue at the time. It took place in the early 90's.

Don't want to give his name. But he was an elderley GM from europe with very little patience. Wink

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It seems the child understands the game better than Kor...the random GM.

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Kor...the random GM.

Nope. You wouldn't know him I think.

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Thanks :(

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I've had success pushing e4 when black fianchettos their bishop with the KID on move 5 after both knights have been developed. Just watch out for c6

edit: both of MY knights, as white

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@ tubebender. It's a true story. I was present at the same venue at the time. It took place in the early 90's.

Don't want to give his name. But he was an elderley GM from europe with very little patience. 

OK., thanks. I`ll take your word for it. He could have also said that after 1 e4 White could be striving for the best moment for d4 to be played; then what would the little kid say then?!?

Well that's pretty obvious. The kid might have said: If you so much want to play d2-d4 why don't you do it on move 1?

First I wanted to add "duh".

Oops, I just did.

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I've had success pushing e4 when black fianchettos their bishop with the KID on move 5 after both knights have been developed. Just watch out for c6

edit: both of MY knights, as white

Yeah those mainline KIDs are tough to navigate around.  Black could put a pawn on c6 whereas your pawn is committed to c4.  In some variations nasty knights could go to c5 and preventing it requires time and even potentially weakening moves.  Though the KID is tough to play and Petrosian himself said he feeds his family off people who misplay it, and his competition wasn't exactly booked up fish at the local club.  If world class GMs can misplay it then it could certainly happen to anyone.  

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lol d4 followed by c4 is standard and easy to defend..try kings indian defense or nimzo indian...

Nimzo indian breaks down defences quickly and gives pretty fast games

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spikestars wrote:

lol d4 followed by c4 is standard and easy to defend..try kings indian defense or nimzo indian...

Nimzo indian breaks down defences quickly and gives pretty fast games

Just keep telling yourself the KID and Nimzo-Indian are easy to play.

Petrosian made a living playing the White side of the KID, and tons of GMs will gladly take either side of the Nimzo-Indian against anyone rated U2300. 

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hello. i quit chess months ago because 1.d4  2.c4  and Kingcrusher teach cheating.  i see opening is legal still. im disappointed. i want play chess again i miss chess, is my favorite game but cheap openings ruin chess.

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Sorry to hear that. Play some Go instead.