1.d4 d5 2.... Anything besides the queens gambit?
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Pangus wrote:
Try 2. Nf3 leading to the Colle, Catalan or others. If I play the Colle, I play 2. e3 to limit the time Black has to play the annoying Bf5. However, do not give up on c4. It is tried and tested, and if something was demonstrably better, it would have been found by now.
If anyone is serious about playing the Colle they have to get a copy of Milos Pavlovic’s “The Modernized Colle-Zuckertort Attack” To play the Colle with authority one has to learn both variations (the Koltanowski and the Zuckertort. In reference to 1…d5 Black can play a defense to negate one variation but in doing so allows the other. (Pavlovic’s is structured around that format)
The Anti-Colle is what every serious Colle player has to know… Funny how people say the Colle sucks but run straight to the Anti-Colle lines as Black… if the Colle sucked….? Why not play the main line defense. Right?
My guess is a lot of detractors are former Colle players themselves who never delved deep into the Anti-Colle matrix… Thinking there wasn’t anything to combat Black’s serious responses.
Most of what out there is just bad analysis
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Bf5 3.c4 e6 4.Qb3 b6 5.Ne5 Nf6 6.e3 Be7 7.cxd5 exd5 8.Bb5+ (White is practically winning ) The plan works as long as Black plays pawn to e6.
But Who kidding who…!!! That doesn’t happened at the club level anymore.
With 1…d5 is 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3... Black plays a move order waiting for White to play 3. e3, then play's a Slav variation that negates the typical Anti-Colle line. e.g, 3...Bf5 4.c4 c6! (Not 3...e6) 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Qb3 Qc7!= Probably the best line at this point is 7.Bd2 e6 8.Bb5+ Nbd7 white hopes Black would play something like 8...Nc6 then 9.0–0 Bd6 10.Bb4] usually play goes 9.0–0 a6 10.Bxd7+ Nxd7 11.Ne5= White can play these lines, yet the resulting positions are a solid equal, and Black usually get's an active center...
Up until now... I played a viable Slav in Reverse 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Bf5 4.c4 c6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Nh4!? (this is actually played at the elite 2600+ GM level, & there is a lot of theory, and lot of play for both sides, and when I played OTB this was/is my go to Anti-Colle line.
What I don't like about it... the tactics and the endgame have more of a Queens Gambit structure than a Colle
Enter Milos Pavlovic's analysis
Pavlovic’s Anti-Colle lines have tactics and the resulting endgame similar to what you play in a Colle Nothing Slav about them . It predicated around reaching this position.
If you have studied the Koltanowski Var you know where the Knight, Bishop and the Rooks are going to go launch the typical kingside attacks that the Colle is known for... after you have the typical endgame... i.e. once the dust settles (if Black survives your assault) This position is a result of Pavlovic's Anti-Colle line.. Brilliant to say the least... I'm not going to cite his analysis on how the position comes about.. Buy the book... he worked hard and deserves the $$.
Mar 17, 2024
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Catalan, colle, stonewall, london, colle-zukertort, blackmar-diemer gambit, jobava london, veresov attack. Trompowsky/Levitsky/Hopton attack. Those are what I know
lassus_dinnao wrote:
Catalan, colle, stonewall, london, colle-zukertort, blackmar-diemer gambit, jobava london, veresov attack. Trompowsky/Levitsky/Hopton attack. Those are what I know
The Torre Attack, unless it is already listed under a different name.
The Bg5 ideas by white do not always work well when there is no knight on f6 and a pawn on d5 already. Some of the above games are conditional depending on Black's play.
Mar 17, 2024
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lassus_dinnao wrote:
Catalan, colle, stonewall, london, colle-zukertort, blackmar-diemer gambit, jobava london, veresov attack. Trompowsky/Levitsky/Hopton attack. Those are what I know
The Torre Attack, unless it is already listed under a different name.
The Bg5 ideas by white do not always work well when there is no knight on f6 and a pawn on d5 already. Some of the above games are conditional depending on Black's play.
One "system" that I do think has bite however is the torre attack with the bishop coming to g5. After this pin is played white uses a semi slav setup. The pin helps to keep black from getting as much activity (because often black would like to break it with ...Be7, but comparing this to a regular queen's gambit, black's bishop is much more passive than a white bishop would be on d3) so I do think this is a good option, and I myself have been burned by it once when I didn't know how to play it and I got a passive (but at least not terrible) position. I have not however ever been threatened by the colle or london systems.
What about 3...Ne4 against the Torre and then c5?
The Colle and Stonewall are good to understand. If your opponent play d4 and e6 then those structures can be quite useful.