1.e4 c6. 2.d4 c5 late sicilian

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greg455

what do you think of this opening? the idea behind it is to make white move the pawn to d4 because they would not play 1...d4  . usually when people play the sicilian  they play 

 

1.e4  c5  2.Nf3

notmtwain
greg455 wrote:

what do you think of this opening? the idea behind it is to make white move the pawn to d4 because they would not play 1...d4  . usually when people play the sicilian  they play 

 

1.e4  c5  2.Nf3

You probably won't get a "late Sicilian".  White will probably push 3 d5 and you'll be in a late Benoni, two tempos down. 

ThrillerFan

And what's wrong with 2.Nf3?  It's only the main line, and it's played to promote the idea of 3.d4.

Not to mention, while what notmtwain said is "mostly" accurate (Black loses 1 tempo, not 2, 1.d4 c5 2.d5 and it's Black to move versus 1.e4 c6 2.d4 c5 3.d5 and again it's Black to move, the only difference being the e-pawn has been pushed by White), there is an added issue:

Let's just say White "cooperates" and plays 3.Nf3.  White is still lightyears better in this position as Black is down a full tempo.  White has a slight advantage for going first.  You give him yet another move for free, and he's close to winning!  Keep in mind, White is attacking here.  It's not like the fools that think that by playing a "defense" up a move is beneficial, like say, setting up a Hedgehog structure with White, or the King's Indian Attack, where the extra move basically brings it from slightly worse to equal.  In this case, White is doing what White should be doing, and you are giving him yet another move for free!

 

The idea by the OP is outright herrendous!

greg455

your right. I was just trying to find a unusual opening where white can't use memorization to win.

ThrillerFan

I hope you play this against me if we ever face over the board.  I'll maul you!  Who needs memorization when their opponent plays like an imbecile?  You want to give me free moves?  Great, give them to me!

Plus, nobody that's good at chess memorizes.  You need to understand the opening moves so that when your opponent deviates, you know why the move he made wasn't good!

If you rely solely on memory for your openings, you'll never be a master!