e5 is not the main purpose... but to prevent Bg5 + avoiding pin is good reason for Qd6. If Nf3 - try Na6 :)
1.e4 f5 : me and my oversized ego vs all of you
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Horace44 wrote:
6...e6 was the plan now. But black needs to think carefully about how he is going to play the next few moves, since just following the computer's first suggestions leads to a horrible position.
I suspect this line was chosen for that very reason (i.e. not just that e4 f5 sucks for black, but that engines handle it particularly poorly), but coming out of the opening with a clear pawn up is probably not enough to survive the middle and endgame unless there's been a lot of pre-analysis done.
you cannot survive middle game with pawn opening
btickler wrote:
Horace44 wrote:
6...e6 was the plan now. But black needs to think carefully about how he is going to play the next few moves, since just following the computer's first suggestions leads to a horrible position.
I suspect this line was chosen for that very reason (i.e. not just that e4 f5 sucks for black, but that engines handle it particularly poorly), but coming out of the opening with a clear pawn up is probably not enough to survive the middle and endgame unless there's been a lot of pre-analysis done.
I have done no pre-analysis. The line was chosen once 1.f3 d5 2.g4 was taken out of thematic starting positions, to demonstrate that it was still possible to start at a huge disadvantage (that was the worse I could find).
Then I went on bragging that I could beat anyone with the white pieces here and here we are playing that game.
I will be interested to learn the engines' choices. Not sure why following the computer's first suggestion leads to a horrible position. I don't like the current position (none of black's pieces seem to have any worthwhile squares) but the computers are not considering how the position looks now but rather how things will look in a dozen moves time.
For me, we are going to reach "chess climax" when Houdini disagree with Komodo. We'll have to decide, and I think it's going to be exciting. I Have always beaten Houdini with Komodo, but it does not mean Komodo is always right.
Hopefully some centaur players will join us!
Aetheldred wrote:
Komodo TCEC @33 ply: 6...e6 Says black is down almost a full pawn (0.97).
According to ChessBase Houdini 4 x64 @24 ply agrees with 6...e6.
Let's see if someone can provide further plies.
May 2, 2014
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Aetheldred wrote:
Aetheldred wrote:
Komodo TCEC @33 ply: 6...e6 Says black is down almost a full pawn (0.97).
According to ChessBase Houdini 4 x64 @24 ply agrees with 6...e6.
Let's see if someone can provide further plies.
I have the position running, I´ll post the result when it reaches 31.
SocialPanda wrote:
Aetheldred wrote:
Aetheldred wrote:
Komodo TCEC @33 ply: 6...e6 Says black is down almost a full pawn (0.97).
According to ChessBase Houdini 4 x64 @24 ply agrees with 6...e6.
Let's see if someone can provide further plies.
I have the position running, I´ll post the result when it reaches 31.
Thank you!
Stockfish DD @33 ply 6...e6 Gives white +1.55 advantage
May 2, 2014
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Does that mean Stockfish has analyzed 18 (or 36 !) black/white moves deep ? If so, Ohhhh Myyyy Gaaaa Duh !
May 2, 2014
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Stockfish goes really deep really fast, it has a different process than Houdini.
May 2, 2014
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SocialPanda wrote:
Stockfish goes really deep really fast, it has a different process than Houdini.
12 CPUs and watercooling helps.
We seem to have a move, e6.
Well... I played Duras (and Latvian) a lot, this is useful to understand the meaning of tempo in chess.
I like Qd6?! here. It give opportunity to retake Bishop with Queen if it will ever taky this Knight + there will be no pin that may be created after e6. Even more - we will have opportunity to play e5, not more passive e6... so - Qd6?!