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LineoLemon

Sorry the thread should read a4 not a1.made this mistake because i was tired.

Well, well, well.I played around with the a4 move.but i didn't start with a4, instead i started with e4 and after this i used a4.my intention was to find a way to get a second queen.so i tried to find a way to bring atleast one of the three pawns from a1,b1 and c1 behind the enemies line.black started with the sicillian!i was pretty tired when playing around with this so my gameplay looked horrible...i'm also not a pro, i'm still learning.i was able to bring the pawn to the 8 line.and got a queen but before i lost one.i'm very sure that i would be able to get a second queen while still having the original one.oh and by the way, i won the match.so, why did i try to get a second queen instead of attacking blacks king?because the a4 move looked like it would be a prommising way to get a second queen.in the start the gameplay is very tactical but in the end when you have a second queen you could have much fun chasing down blacks king.i don't know if this is the best way of playing against an opponent who has the same strenght but it sure would be fun.because how often do you own two queens?not very often because you try to beat the enemies king fast(like me :D).i will continue analyzing this and will post the match here so you can also take a look at it.have fun.oh and don't tell me you could have done this instead of this.i told you i'm not a pro and was very tired when "playing around". :)



LineoLemon

oh, there you go...

damn neighbours won't let me sleep.

so i'm damn tired.i don't know how they do it,

but everytime i fall asleep they wake me up with

making very very loud noises.sorry, i meant a4.

LavaRook

For a sec I thought this was some parody type thing on the 1.a3 thread

but idk

LineoLemon

i experimented a lil more and was able to get two queens :)

again, against the sicilian.

Argonaut13
pellik wrote:

I'm confused how do you move to a1? There's a rook there and pawns can't move backwords anyway. Do mean you wanted black to play a1=Q at some point? That I could see being an obtainable goal. 


He meant to say a4!? in his title not a1!?...

LineoLemon
Argonaut13 wrote:
pellik wrote:

I'm confused how do you move to a1? There's a rook there and pawns can't move backwords anyway. Do mean you wanted black to play a1=Q at some point? That I could see being an obtainable goal. 


He meant to say a4!? in his title not a1!?...

it's ok i changed it after he read it so he couldn't know :)

by the way i hate the sicillian but a4 seems to be a nice way for winning against the sicillian,atleast for me.but someone really needs to analyze this more.a computer should.

MaartenSmit

I've recently started looking at 2. a4 against the Sicilian. It's actually an interesting move. Here's a thread about it:

 

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1313620779/60

 

I am currently playing a game as white with 1. e4 c5 2. a4. I'll post it here when it's finished.

LineoLemon

see!

and thank you for the link :)

can't await the result of your game :)

Here_Is_Plenty

Yes, against the Najdorf type setup or maybe Sozin I can see where a4 could be useful.  Against many other sicilians though....not so much.  It is moving a pawn in the area black will have a space advantage.  It creates a potential hole at b4.  It uses a tempo which may take away white's advantage for moving first.  As for being a thrust to create another queen there are 16 pieces in the way which will not encourage this plan.  Are you going to concentrate all your piece power to this plan and neglect the centre and the kingside?  I know people tell beginners not to read opening theory but in this case it might be better to do that than to invent your own.

MaartenSmit

In pretty much every Sicilian black wants to expand at some point with ...a6 and ...b5. 2. a4 stops that plan. Obviously playing a4 at move 2 may be somewhat premature, but it's really not that bad. There's some real good analysis in the chesspub thread I posted earlier.

 

I probably won't build a Sicilian repertoire around 2. a4, but it's definitely a usable surprise weapon to throw a prepared opponent off his game.

Here_Is_Plenty

Really Maarten?  In the Dragon and the Richter-rauzer for example?  After 1) e4 c5 2) a4 g6 Black is definitely not going for an a6-b5 plan.

MaartenSmit

But what other pawn breaks are there for black? If we assume for a moment that black takes on the 'standard' dragon pawn structure, with a7-b7-c5-d6-e7-f7-g6-h7.

White can choose to play an open Sicilian with a quick d4. What pawn breaks are there for black? ...d5 is thematic, but very hard to achieve. ...e5 shuts in the bishop, ...f5 seems like it weakens the king. Sure black can get active piece play down the long diagonal and the c-file, but white can choose to conduct a kingside attack, or go for some central spacial expansion.

 

I myself chose for a slower approach, with c3 before d4. Here the game gains a more positional character, where black maintains constant pressure on the long diagonal in exchange for a slight space disadvantage.

 

Obviously there are millions of other ways to play this. It's very rich. White can choose to fianchetto the bishop on g2, put it on c4, or exchange it with a check on b5; he can castle on either side; he can play an open or a closed Sicilian.

I'm not trying to promote this opening or anything like that, it's obvious that it's not white's most serious try for an advantage.

LineoLemon
uhohspaghettio wrote:

Oh god help us all.

If Steinitz rose from the grave to see the standard of chess in the 21st century, after all he wrote about logic and development, I think he would turn around and be on his way back to the grave as quickly as possible. 

Not every chess player is 100% perfect logical machine.

as i mentioned before, a machine should analyze the a4 move against the sicillian with perfect play an then give us the result.

what counts is against whom you play and what the opponent is trying to do.

Here_Is_Plenty

Pawn breaks in the dragon.  Yes, d5.  Its not like a Najdorf where you sling forward the pawns to get a hit on the knight at c3, you chuck a rook at it.  You normally develop the queen at a5 in the dragon, something you rarely do when you are going to box it in with a6 and b5.  Even if White stays away from open sicilian lines g6/c5 is a good setup against a4.

LineoLemon
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LineoLemon
echecs06 wrote:

It's a good distraction by a 1039 player.

i didn't even play one game against a human player on this site(as far as i can remember)i only played a few training matches against the computer, so the elo rating is not my real elo rating.i don't even see a point in you pointing it out with a smirk.

Jebcc

echecs06 is a worm disregard him

LineoLemon
Jebcc wrote:

echecs06 is a worm disregard him

oh i see, thought he might me a troll or something :)

nonetheless i would like to hide the elo stats.

LineoLemon
AcivilizedGentleman wrote:
LineoLemon wrote:
echecs06 wrote:

It's a good distraction by a 1039 player.

i didn't even play one game against a human player on this site(as far as i can remember)i only played a few training matches against the computer, so the elo rating is not my real elo rating.i don't even see a point in you pointing it out with a smirk.

No, trust me; your rating is accurate.

no, trust me it's not.sicne i never play any games on this site against opponents.and when i play on this site then only against the computer, to test out things.so i never play seriously and almost everytime end the game when i tried out those things.and on anotehr chess site my elo rating is more accurate since i have played games there.and it's a completely different score.

Jebcc

there is a group of sycophants on this site that curry favor with those they perceive as having status it appears that LineoLemon is one of these. disregard him as well. he is probably a worm like his aspirational hero: echecs06.  just play your chess and &uck the ^ssholes that try to dictate the terms of this site to you