aggressive London system

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IMKeto
Cali_boy613 wrote:
For the record, the reason I asked such a broad question was to start a conversation about it. Not looking for 1 specific reply

 

You asked for a specific line in a specific opening.  That's not a broad question.

Alltheusernamestaken
staples13 wrote:

No. None. The London system is the least aggressive, most closed opening. Inevitably all the pieces get traded off and an equal endgame is reached. There are no tactics, no attacks, sacrifices, or anything interesting. The only reason anyone plays it is to try to bore their opponent into submission. 

And here comes again the sicilian refutation kid with his inmense knowledge

dpnorman
Optimissed wrote:

The only reason the London is "aggressive" is that it's so dull and unaggressive that, historically, no-one learned found it worthwhile to work out any lines.

Assuming we agree with the premise I would say there's certainly theory in all sorts of openings and for better or worse there is a lot of theory in the London nowadays, unless you want to be unbelievably unambitious and play exactly the same way (e3 c3 Nd2 Bd3) against absolutely everything, which to be fair many people of low ratings do...

 

@Cali_boy613 If you're asking the question, then I assume you were having issues with certain variations. You could at least provide us with examples. Otherwise you're going to get a thread full of people making hot takes and sweeping statements. Which is what has happened tongue.png

Cali_boy613
Sorry, I meant to post those comments in my other thread about not castling. My bad
Cali_boy613
Presume bashing each other’s heads in 😂
staples13

I would recommend playing something more interesting. 

Try the Evans gambit

Alltheusernamestaken
staples13 wrote:

I would recommend playing something more interesting. 

Try the Evans gambit

The center attack variation is more sharp

congrandolor

Agressive for white or for black?

dpnorman
IndreRe wrote:

This whole thread is comedy  

It really is. 

 

It can be tough to learn much about chess on this forum unless you're quite a beginner but this really is an underrated little corner of the internet for entertainment value...

staples13

Pawn storms make for exciting games!

dpnorman

@Optimissed I don't quite know what "the London is something that a reasonably okay player will tend to win against on a good day and lose against on a bad day" means, largely because I think this could be said about any opening. Most games are not decided in the opening, and I actually have a considerably better record with the London than I do with my other openings in the last year or so in OTB tournament play, including beating four NMs. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything about the opening. It just means that interesting play resulted which was complicated enough for both sides to have chances, and then later in the game, in a position that was only tangentially connected to the opening that had occurred in the game, someone made an error...

 

Anyway you mentioned that "maybe the best approach in the London is to hold equality as black and play the Bc8 outside the pawn chain," and while that's too general a statement for me to say if it's right or wrong (to do that I'd need a specific line) I can tell you that white's extra tempo matters sometimes. The London isn't as easy to equalize against as it might look happy.png. Consider the following:

 

 

That way of playing doesn't quite work out, but there are other move orders in which you might achieve Bf5 or Bg4 with much better chances to equalize. 

 

 

You've got other ideas at your disposal, such as this combination of e6 and c5 with the idea cxd4 and Nh5 that I've already mentioned (and that Nakamura has played a number of times in all time controls, although Giri/So game brought the idea to prominence). Surely you will find one you like.

 

And then it's a game, and the positions can be quite rich depending on what both sides agree to do. Remember that all white has committed to is d4 and Bf4, and from this things can go in many directions.

 

Hopefully that is helpful to you sir!

nighteyes1234
staples13 wrote:

Pawn storms make for exciting games!

 

So does going from less than 1000 to 2000 rating in 3 months!

Say, why was I banned by you from your other thread for point out your excellent results?

Did you not want mentioned how you overcame so many hardships? Such as losing 5 games in 7 TOTAL moves?

And then for your last game where you held onto draw as black...those 246 rateds can be so strong cant they? You should put that one into the games showcase.

Alltheusernamestaken
nighteyes1234 wrote:
staples13 wrote:

Pawn storms make for exciting games!

 

So does going from less than 1000 to 2000 rating in 3 months!

Say, why was I banned by you from your other thread for point out your excellent results?

Did you not want mentioned how you overcame so many hardships? Such as losing 5 games in 7 TOTAL moves?

And then for your last game where you held onto draw as black...those 246 rateds can be so strong cant they? You should put that one into the games showcase.

he did the same to me hahahaha

staples13
nighteyes1234 wrote:
staples13 wrote: Pawn storms make for exciting games!

 

So does going from less than 1000 to 2000 rating in 3 months!

Say, why was I banned by you from your other thread for point out your excellent results?

Did you not want mentioned how you overcame so many hardships? Such as losing 5 games in 7 TOTAL moves?

And then for your last game where you held onto draw as black...those 246 rateds can be so strong cant they? You should put that one into the games showcase.

You fine sir I should not have blocked. I’m not sure why I did and if I knew how to unblock you I would. 

Yeah ive been known to intentionally tank my rating once or twice. It’s not against the rules

 

staples13

I didn’t draw against the 246 by the way I beat him. I was just down a full piece with a rook hanging at one point. 

Haha feel free to post the game in the showcase if you want. You have my permission

Alltheusernamestaken

 I invite everyone to watch staples13's blitz graph and judge by yourself if he cheats or not... I know it becouse he cheated against me

staples13

You are free to look at any of my 16000 games. I have never cheated in any of them and my play could never be confused with that of an engine. 

You Allusernamestaken are on my blocked list because you challenged me to a pair of games, used an engine in both of them, and then blocked me and created a thread insulting me. When other posters noticed that you are an engine using cheat they called you out on it and you then deleted your original post to try and hide. 

staples13

So are you going to go back into hiding or should I post some of the many games you used an engine in?

staples13

Back into hiding he goes

Alltheusernamestaken

LOL post them cuz I didn't. In fact I posted yours and It's obvious that you used an engine on the second one...

Anyway just watch the notes that people leave in your profile lol.