Agressive openings with D4?

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kareldevries
a very polite notice that you totally disagree :-)

Xbiker
Pulpofeira wrote:

True, but I honestly think those type of openings would be a good school to develop those skills, if you don't mind to be bashed time to time.

You mean that the easy positional openings or the aggresive?

Diakonia
Xbiker wrote:
Pulpofeira wrote:

True, but I honestly think those type of openings would be a good school to develop those skills, if you don't mind to be bashed time to time.

You mean that the easy positional openings or the aggresive?

Define easy positional opening?

Define agressive opening?

Pulpofeira

I mean getting into a mess as soon as you can. Maybe is not about choosing a determined opening, but trying to complicate the middlegame. Probably at my level opening theory doesn't matter too much yet.

Pulpofeira
kareldevries escribió:
a very polite notice that you totally disagree :-)

Could be, thanks. :)

RussBell
kareldevries wrote:
X biker, I would suggest that you try to focus on easy, positional openings first, learn to think 2 moves ahead, learn to recognize simple combinations first before playing agressive openings.

In your current open game with black you mis a very simple combination. You can't play agressive openings (resulting in tactics) without proper tactical skills.

The best way to develop tactical skill, in addition to studying tactics, is to play lots of games that promote tactical play, as opposed to games that are more positional in nature.  For example, the open games that begin 1.e4 tend to belong to the first group (promoting tactics) while closed games (e.g. Queen's Gambit) tend to be more positional in character.

Most highly rated players (those with "Master" in the chess title), would recommend for the lower rated player (beginner-novice-intermediate) to focus on games that promote and give rise to lots of tactics, as opposed to requiring lots of positional maneuvering.

Xbiker

Thanks for your valuable  advise, now that I check out myself, I absolutely agree, now that I start with e4, is much better to learn, you have more action, an I would say more fun, more attack lines, at least at my level 

Xbiker
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Xbiker

@ Rusbell.  Finally I have decided to buy one of the books you told me to play e4. I have read again your comments on it and may be I would prefer soltis, because I like the advance variation against French Defense,  though I do not konw much of KIA, and the against the Caro Kann, sincerely, I do not know wich one I prefer.

I have remarked that Soltis book looks quite old and do not have any comment  whereas Emms Books is full of very positive comments, I imagine that it is not too important but it draw my attention

Any suggestion?

Thanks

kindaspongey
RussBell wrote:

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"Winning With 1 e4" by Andrew Soltis....

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USCF Sales is still selling it.

kindaspongey
RussBell wrote:

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"Attacking With 1 e4" by John Emms....

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https://web.archive.org/web/20140627003909/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen29.pdf

http://www.theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/one-book-repertoires-online-bargain

QuietStorm86

Have you considered the stonewall? slow first few moves but becomes very aggressive after the wall is constructed

RussBell
Xbiker wrote:

@ Rusbell.  Finally I have decided to buy one of the books you told me to play e4. I have read again your comments on it and may be I would prefer soltis, because I like the advance variation against French Defense,  though I do not konw much of KIA, and the against the Caro Kann, sincerely, I do not know wich one I prefer.

I have remarked that Soltis book looks quite old and do not have any comment  whereas Emms Books is full of very positive comments, I imagine that it is not too important but it draw my attention

Any suggestion?

Thanks

@xbiker -

Yes, the Soltis book is "old" and it is not necessarily a "great" book.  But it nevertheless may hold some value for anyone who chooses to find it, as there are still some interesting lines and ideas to be found in it.  Will you necessarily want to play all the openings or variations recommended in it?  No, of course not.  But that can be said of any chess opening repertoire book.  There may be some lines in it that appeal to you and others lines that do not.  But this is not to say that the book has no value.  

Also Soltis' book is not as comprehensive as the Emms book.  That is, there are fewer lines and alternative variations given in Soltis' book.  So, simply on that basis, if you had to choose only one of these, it would probabably be the Emms book.  But as much as they are similar and recommend some of the same openings and variations - particularly the Bishop's Opening transposing into the King's Gambit Declined (against 1.e4 e5), and also the Closed Sicilian (against 1.e4 c5), there are also differences - for example the lines against the Caro-Kann and against the French Defense, as you have previously noted.  But it is primarily because of these differences that I suggest getting BOTH books.  That way you can try out and evaluate several different variations for, say, the Caro-Kann and the French, and decide which lines appeal to you.  Also the Soltis book is reasonably inexpensive, so you would not be investing much money to acquire it.

On a different note: regarding the discussion and debate regarding the terms "aggressive" vs "passive" vs "tactical" vs "positional" vs "dynamic" vs "open" vs "closed" to describe these openings.  These distinctions can be debated forever.  But I think all experienced chess players have a sense as to what the terms typically imply.  We also understand that any opening may be played in ways that any of these descriptions could legitimately be applied.  But it is also true that any specific opening can typically or more often give rise to positions where one of these descriptions apply more typically or appropriately than the others.  For example I think that when discussing "open" gambits, for example the King's Gambit, and if asked whether the term "tactical" would be a more appropriate description for the nature of most of the positions arising out of that opening than the term "positional", most knowledgeable chess players would agree that the term "tactical" is more appropriate.  

The point I'm trying to make here is that we shouldn't get too bogged down in debating the subtle distinctions of the words used to describe the openings.  Neither should we shy away from using these terms when it makes some sense to use them.  For example  most people would have no problem understanding the use of the term "agressive, when referring to the "Open" Sicilian Defense, because those variations are typically played in an aggressive fashion. Or if you use the term "positional" to describe the character of the Queen's Gambit Declined or the London System, most knowledgeable players would know what you mean by that. 

The more important point, though, is whether you like and feel comfortable playing an opening and any particular variation of that opening.  For example, sometimes I am in the mood to play a "positional" opening like the London System, which can, depending on what transpires during the game, take on either an aggressive or a passive character; other times I am in the mood to play a game where tactical play is dominant, for example, what one typically encounters in the King's Gambit or Danish Gambit.  (In fact I do recommend that players, particularly those of intermediate level and below, incorporate gambits into their opening repertoire; doing so will demonstrate the importance of seizing and maintaining the initiative in the opening, and will sharpen tactical skills; and they are fun to play).

So my advice - don't let the adjectives, words, typically used to describe these openings prevent you from trying out different openings from time to time.  At any moment you may have your favorite openings, but variety is a good thing in chess; through variety you will work on and develop many different chess skills.

RussBell

Thanks ylblai2 - your comments are always helpful and welcomed.

RussBell
ylblai2 wrote:
RussBell wrote:

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"Winning With 1 e4" by Andrew Soltis....

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USCF Sales is still selling it.

Also Amazon.com and House of Staunton.

kindaspongey
QuietStorm86 wrote:

Have you considered the stonewall? slow first few moves but becomes very aggressive after the wall is constructed

Chess Psychology: The Will to Win by William Stewart is a book that includes the Stonewall in a proposed repertoire for beginners.

Xbiker

I have already bought Emms book and started to read it, it looks good, sometimes I struggle to follow the lines, but I imagine it just that I have to get used to read chess books, thank you very much endeed for the detailed info. As you said I think it is going to like me and teach me.

PS: Yes I saw the stonewall attack, and I like it, but for the moment I am going to focus on e4, I had like it and I needed a change, thank you anyway

PS: As long as I read about the two knights opening, I think I prefered the one I was playing, Vienna Game or even King`s Gambit, but this is a good opportunity to have an overall idea and then chouse, it its good to know all of them

RussBell

Bishops Opening (BO) permits one to go into Vienna Game, King's Gambit Declined, Italian Game, even some gambits like Urusov Gambit.  Even the Scotch Gambit, and Goring Gambit can be played using a BO move order.  So BO allows a great deal of flexibility for how to proceed.

For a book on using the BO to go into the Italian Game, see another very good book by John Emms...

"Beating 1 e4 e5" by John Emms.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1857446178?keywords=beating%201%20e4%20e5&qid=1452906964&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1

also perhaps.....

The following is also an excellent book on the Bishop's Opening.  I highly recommend this book if you are interested in exploring the BO further.

"The Bishop's Opening Explained: by Gary Lane

http://www.amazon.com/Bishops-Opening-Explained-Gary-Lane/dp/0713489170/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1452907135&sr=1-1&keywords=gary+lane+bishop%27s+opening

Gary Lane also wrote....

"The Vienna Game" by Gary Lane 

http://www.amazon.com/Vienna-Game-Gary-Lane/dp/1857442717/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1452907002&sr=1-1&keywords=vienna+game+chess

(note it is inexpensive)

OAlienChessO

there are not agressive openings with 1.d4  .    You should play 1.e4 until your death to play agressive or try 1.Nf3 or 1.d4 when you wanna make a quick draw.

RussBell

Some good links related to Bishop's Opening (BO)....bookmark them!

 

A good site on BO in general...from Rutgers University....

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html

 

some gambits that can arise out of a BO move order......these are all lots of fun for attacking...

Urusov Gambit....

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov.html

Scotch Gambit...

http://tws27.weebly.com/scotch-gambit.html

Goring Gambit...

http://tws27.weebly.com/goring-gambit.html

 

Summary of Bishop's Opening....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop%27s_Opening