well blacks gott to play d6 sooner or later and i dont see what is stopping white from ganging up on that pawn and the square d5. isnt Bf4, a3 (to stop Nb4), Qd2, Rd1/0-0-0, g3, Bg2, Ne2-c3-b5/e4 a position everyone would want to be in? and black wanted to have a weak d pawn, not a weak d pawn on an open file.
amazing breakthrough in the modern benoni
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For a second I honestly thought you might be referring to the bust published here. {see "new idea against the benoni"]
Jul 9, 2009
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#4
Surely taking the knight is wrong? As I can see it (from a patzer's point of view), maybe one of the funnest moves is 5. ... b5, 6. Nxf6+ Qxf6 7. cxb5 Bb7 preparing d5 or just Be7 or even at a push a6? to get rid of the pesky b pawn..
Interested on thoughts, being low rated as I am.
Stupid and dumb. I hate the !! exclamation to your terrible moves. Deserves a ?.
Black will not be able to threaten the queen next move. So I don't think white really has too bad of a position.
PaladinIsBack192 wrote:
Stupid and dumb. I hate the !! exclamation to your terrible moves. Deserves a ?.
tks for that, i love your rating btw
the only reason i put double !! was to get many people to look at and refute the line since obviously its crap but i cant refute it myself
Jul 14, 2009
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Gonnosuke wrote:
Why give the gift of equality? You'll have to burn a tempo retreating the queen and at that point you've lost the first player advantage. The "horror" d-pawn is a fixture of the Benoni and black will have to deal with one way or the other. With your sequence, it's a problem he'd love to have. Black has nothing to fear here.
Agreed, to simplify why this is bad - activating the Queen early is always folly.
A way to take black out of the comfort zone is to not push the d pawn on move 3 and defend it with Nf3 - The so called Anglo Benoni. Objectively perhaps not as good as pushing but might be psychologically useful to "annoy" black.
Jul 15, 2009
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jonn0 wrote:
well blacks gott to play d6 sooner or later and i dont see what is stopping white from ganging up on that pawn and the square d5. isnt Bf4, a3 (to stop Nb4), Qd2, Rd1/0-0-0, g3, Bg2, Ne2-c3-b5/e4 a position everyone would want to be in? and black wanted to have a weak d pawn, not a weak d pawn on an open file.
Black gets to move too. What you posted is a good plan but it would be good to see what black might like to do (d6, Nc6, Be6, and then maybe even d5)
In real games this happens all the time. You get a position which looks good (I agree the above position looks good for white) and you have a plan. But play out some of the moves, see if it's really possible to get your setup implemented. I wouldn't think that a3 (a very slow move) would work well here, since white is already sort of down tempi.
jonn0 wrote:
PaladinIsBack192 wrote:
Stupid and dumb. I hate the !! exclamation to your terrible moves. Deserves a ?.
tks for that, i love your rating btw
the only reason i put double !! was to get many people to look at and refute the line since obviously its crap but i cant refute it myself
Rating? My real FIDE rating is 1800+ I left my account of for 2 months and oh well... Anyway, it sucks.
PaladinIsBack192 wrote:
Rating? My real FIDE rating is 1800+ I left my account of for 2 months and oh well... Anyway, it sucks.
But why purposefully come across as a total tosser?
A 'refutation' isn't necessary if the position is already bad for white. White is the one who is going to have to prove that the position is equal.
You say this about your line:
"and white has more space while black has a horror pawn on the open d-file..."
And the exact same thing is completely true for the normal modern benoni. Only, you let black exchange a pair of knights, which reduces his space advantage, and you put your queen on d5, which black can later chase away with for example Be6 gaining a tempo.
I'm pretty sure someone at my local chess club played the exact same line against the benoni once, and he got thrashed in something like 22 moves.
Alphastar18 wrote:
A 'refutation' isn't necessary if the position is already bad for white. White is the one who is going to have to prove that the position is equal.
You say this about your line:
"and white has more space while black has a horror pawn on the open d-file..."
And the exact same thing is completely true for the normal modern benoni. Only, you let black exchange a pair of knights, which reduces his space advantage, and you put your queen on d5, which black can later chase away with for example Be6 gaining a tempo.
I'm pretty sure someone at my local chess club played the exact same line against the benoni once, and he got thrashed in something like 22 moves.
you are a pawn up and your queen can go back any time it meets danger and if black doesnt harass the queen then white gets an awesome attack going.
chessmaniac5 wrote:
you are a pawn up and your queen can go back any time it meets danger and if black doesnt harass the queen then white gets an awesome attack going.
No, you aren't a pawn up.
Ofcourse your queen can go back when it's attacked, but that's not the point. The point is that black gains one or multiple tempo's developing his pieces.
And no, you don't get an awesome attack going.
well just as it happens best play from both sides result in equality
just that in this position, white can't effectively take advantage of the d-pawn
Jul 17, 2009
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#18
Someone played that 5.Nxd5 against me in a Benoni theme tournament a little while back. He got a decent position out of it; I didn't think of the Nb4 idea. I'd agree with Gonnosuke -- it's not a disastrous continuation, but not best because Black gets a pretty decent position without too much difficulty.
I believe its a nice line but I have to agree with this Paladin guy, should be awarded a ! (good move) or a !? (interesting move) instead of !! (excellent move or if you move this you're gonna win). Nice line though 
Black wants to play the modern benoni, why let him?
any refutations?