Any aggressive gambits I should try out with white?

really what is this post all about - i don't see the point -- maybe its a english translation thing or something esle -- it does not make sense to me- what are you really discussing about -- please set me straight -

Stockfish should be used to reinforce already good lines tbh.

For example, What does black do here???

Several pages back, back when this post was actually about gambits, someone mentioned the Jaenisch, or Schliemann, against the Ruy Lopez. This led to a discussion of the Rousseau, a similar gambit against the Italian, where every strong or even intermediate player concluded that the gambit is incredibly bad, as White can simply decline with d4 and be much better on move 4. Then Mr. Ahmed_Aryan came along and began demanding refutations of the Rousseau in specific Stockfish lines and got MONUMENTALLY upset when they were quickly provided for every single line. It’s been upwards of four pages of essentially nothing but Ahmed yelling at Sea_Turtle and I for… honestly I’m not too sure. If I had to guess something’s wrong in his home life and he’s taking it out on people online because there isn’t a reason for why he’s so mad.

sequence of events:

ahmedaryan uses engine lines and says that they will memorise engine lines

others, in response, use engine lines

ahmedaryan: "wHy cAn tHeY uSe eNgInE lInEs"

use your eyes instead of saying "its only +0.6"

there are +0.6s where the side objectively better is under pressure and has to find hard moves, these can be good openings to play

then there are +0.6s where the side objectively worse is under pressure and has to find hard moves, and these are just "why"

why play an opening where you are worse and its harder to play

now the question is: which one of these does the rosseau fit into, and my hunch is that it maybe the latter (though if ahmed aryan could explain using words how it is harder for white to play i will hear it)

The Rousseau isn't really playable against decent opponents. This line is very safe for white, and gives a large positional advantage:

Taking on d4 is indeed a move but I honestly always take on e4 instead.

Taking on e4 allows Nxe5!, and after d5 Bb5 Qd6 Bf4 Qf5, you can see White has a pretty large advantage

This might work at short time controls, but objectively it's even worse. Here is a blitz game GothamChess won here:

But I fail to see the reason white did not take the free pawn at move 14, when Black stands very badly.

Normal people: "Rousseau Gambit is bad"

@AhmedAryan and @chainlincfence:

WHAT DID YOU FRICKING SAY ABOUT MY GAMBIT!? SWEATY TRYHARDSS AAAGGGGHHH

You're the guy who said "Okay. Enjoy your rousseau gambit then!" And continued to instigate. I would like to, as you said before deciding you needed to argue with someone, Enjoy my rousseau gambit.

okay so #110 was the "enjoy your rosseau gambit" post

after that what happened:

these two go on for a few more posts (because of an explanation, intended to help chainlincfence)

then chainlincfence forgets what they even said before (relatable) and everything goes above their head (this is now called instigating....)

then stuff happens, samuel and others are arguing with ahmed aryan (out of chainlincfence's control, so ignored here) 

then chainlincfence comes back to argue that people should play what they want (to thesampson)

then complains that everyone is a sweaty tryhard (this is later mimicked by samuel) and then overexaggerates

why the complaint? because of a logical analysis of a position which is basically shot down by a ratings shame (atleast shoot the analysis)

so what happened is some weird accusations (explaining = instigating, ratings shaming...)

you have no right to influence what others should do unless its bad

and is being interested in openings bad? not everyone has to try to become good at chess, and people can enjoy it in numerous ways

yeah i guess we should just let ahmed live in his own world and play as dubiously and bad as he wants, case closed.

Precisely. Why would anyone care? This "Your opening's bad" argument should have never existed because no one cares.

@Ilampozhil25

The other funny part is that chainlincfence gave the best line as fxe4, so we went through that line. Then Ahmed got annoyed because he said that the best line was exd4, which we already went through, so we go through it again. Then chainlincfence comes back... "Why are you showing exd4!?"

Like omfg 🤦🤣

I was tryna give a suggestion. I think it makes more sense to play fxe4 lmao. I'm not arguing.

fine

everyone has now shown that they arent even arguing

i also never wanted to argue, only put things in perspective

lets stop this now and let this thread be about gambits for white, not black

sturm gambit

this is just.. wow