Anything for Black Besides Sicilian and Petrov?

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A few weeks ago, i asked was there a solid and lesser known response for white against the Sicilian and several said c3 - and that was fantastic!

Now, in response to White's 1.e4  2.Nf3 besides the Sicilian or fianchetto on Black's king side or some variation of that and/or Dragon and besides Petrov's Defense which seems good but some might say a bit boring, and besides

1 ...e5 2.Nf3 ?  and going into some kind of 2 N's or 3 N's or 4 N's game,    is there a solid and lesser known response/defense for Black?  

Thanks for any suggestions.  

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You mean like the Philidor or something? 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6.

There are plenty of response to 1. e4 besides the Sicilian and the Petrov. I am not even sure if you are aware of 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6. There are ussually 3 or 4 Spanish games from every high level tournament and the Caro-Kan is not outlandish either.

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I don't like the Petrov as it's too copy catish and avoids the Ruy Lopez. 

Alekhine's defense is a great alternative. 

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Thanks for responses so far... i've read that the Philidor is quiet easy for Black to get into trouble, gets very restrictive for black and is not very popular for these reasons.  The Spanish, i'll have to look it up - Does it contain some nice traps and/or punches for black AggressSociopath?  (do i need no conscience and no remorse to use it? Cool )  

 Seems most everyone knows about the Caro-Kann.  Maybe i need to check out this French.  

 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5  SicilianDragon, are there some good counterpunches for Black in this? 

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edit: Now maybe check out Alekhine's too.  Thanks all.   

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Thanks Owl, i kinda steer away from that Scand, and getting my Queen out early like that.  

Just looked up that Pirc Defense Paul.  Looks like it was used by THE MAN - and looks similar to Sicilian Dragon.  Might look at it further.  (If only i were anywhere nearly as astute as THE MAN though, lol  and you DID say 'if you know what you're doing' ) 

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I like King Indians defense

Looks bad for black but that's what got me interested in it in the first place (because it looks so stupid yet many GMs have used it)

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Traps? Not really, at the top the queenless middlegame after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 is apparently the critical continuation. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. d3 is also popular at the moment. I suppose the Marshal is trappy; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 when Black has sacrifices a pawn, but due, mostly to the move c3, White is lagging behind in devolpment and Black has a lasting inititive with an attack on the king. The Spanish game is not very trappy, Black just seeks to play good moves and challanges White to win. The closed spanish 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 when Black can play 9...Na5, Nb8 or Bb7 has long be regarded as the touchstone of positional play.

The Spanish is huge and White can deviate with either 3. Bc4 or 3. d4. If you want to play the Spanish, you will suffer some bad defeats before you become proficient with the opening. I suppose the one thing the opening teaches is how to learn from your mistakes.

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UnfairestEel wrote:

I like King Indians defense

 

Looks bad for black but that's what got me interested in it in the first place (because it looks so stupid yet many GMs have used it)

That's not the King's indian defense. It's called the pirc - the main difference is there is no pawn on c4.

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   Just seeing the Pirc for the 1st time today, yep, that's the Pirc (pronounced Peerts)  How's that been working for you mate? (UnfairestEel)  Wonder if Paul G. uses it much?  

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You are correct. But doing what black did can be called Kings Indian Defense, Perc Defense, Modern Defense etc. depending on what white does and the move order.

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How's that been working for you Unfairest?  

Just looked at Agg.Socio's Spanish closed, which looks solid.  

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It's much more interesting and enjoyable (not necessarily more effective) than the sicilian so far. The kidden attack with the bishop behind the knight allows you to get cheap shots at the opponents pieces:

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If you really want action as black.. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. ... f5?!

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Davy
Williams,
Sheesh!
Is this some
eye exam you
are trying to
give us?  Why do
you type so small?

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And in come the trolls. 

Not sure what you meant OwlTuna, you played Nf6 twice in your responses for black.  Perhaps you meant the FLA??