Barnes Defence - Fried Fox Variation
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So im playing a game the othe rday id say im about a 1600 and my opponent is rated 1800. I was playing white and of course i play e4 but what happened next puzzled me, he played f6??? i was completely confused by the move and even more confused when he played kf7. I need you help on how to attack being white if another person plays this opening. :) thank you.
You just have to develop naturally and make normal developing moves, and you'll automatically get a good/better position. A mistake 99% of all players make is that they think "Oh my god, he plays 1... f6 and 2... Kf7! That must be bad! Let me try to mate him right away!". Then they overdo their "attack", black gets out ok and they're surprised that they lose.
Don't try to find a forced win (stuff like Bc4, Qh5 etc.), but just develop like you usually do, and you'll just get a good position.
I dont think i was trying to mate him as soon as possible. I was just shocked, as the game progressed he has this pawn chain that was just weird looking.
did you win???
No it was a draw. I was weirded out by why a higher rated player than me would play this opening.
WOW! Wierd opening! don't worry watchthehit , i would have been shocked too!
it wasnt like i was tactically outplayed or something it was more of a like weirded out thing u kno w?
Aug 13, 2007
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#8
Probably what u call for "weird opening" resulted on a mouse mistake..happens
true but this one i knew he meant to play it as soon as he moved that king u know?
Aug 13, 2007
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#10
no.for what?what s the point on this move?no piece development...no castling anymore, only disadvantages
theres a chess looking thing when u post a blog press on it and options will pop up. To answer smartattack ya thats what i thought also but when i started attacking him it became obvious that pawns became a powerhouse
Aug 13, 2007
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#12
guys, the reason people play this kind of opening is so that they can prove that they are SOOOOO much better than you that they can start out in a MUCH worse position and still win. it is an ego thing for them. "i can make the worst two moves at the start of the game and STILL beat you." and frankly, it is humiliating to lose to someone who makes these two starting moves. generally i try and diffuse it right away by saying something like "I just want you to know that I know that your opening play is a childish attempt to humiliate me or feel better about yourself."
Not!!!!, I do not say English, but the ideia and that the normal side plays precipitated in which the parts is in bad position.
1.e4 f6 2 Qh5 ? Which the advantage of this movement?
Ex:
(86) MarcosRamos (1674) - Hellat (1252) [A00]
Chess.com - Online Chess Chess.com - Online Chess, 11.08.2007
1.f3 d5 2.Kf2 g6 3.e3 e5 4.Ne2 Qh4+ 5.g3 Qf6 6.d4 Bg4 7.Nd2 e4 8.Nf4 Bxf3 9.Nxf3 exf3 10.Nxd5 Qc6 11.Bb5 Na6 12.Bxc6+ bxc6 13.Nc3 Nf6 14.Qxf3 Nb4 15.Qxf6 Rg8 16.Qe5+ Be7 17.Ne4 Kf8 18.Bd2 Nd5 19.Nc5 Rd8 20.Rhf1 Bf6 21.Qe4 Kg7 22.Kg2 Rge8 23.Qf3 Nb4 24.Qxf6+ Kg8 25.Qxf7+ Kh8 26.Nd7 Rg8 27.Qf6+ Rg7 28.Qxd8+ Rg8 29.Rf8 h5 30.Rxg8+ Kh7 31.Rh8+ Kg7 32.Qf8# 1-0
(6) huimre (2659) - angelov (2636)
m1180021300 (1), 20.07.2007
1.d4 f6 2.e4 Kf7 3.Bd3 Nc6 4.Nf3 e6 5.0-0 Nb4 6.a3 Nxd3 7.Qxd3 Ne7 8.d5 e5 9.d6 cxd6 10.Qxd6 Qb6 11.Qxb6 axb6 12.Nc3 d5 13.exd5 Bf5 14.Be3 Bxc2 15.Nd2 Rd8 16.Rfc1 Bf5 17.Nc4 b5 18.Bb6 Rd7 19.Ne3 g6 20.Bc5 Bd3 21.Rd1 e4 22.Rac1 Bg7 23.Bxe7 Kxe7 24.a4 f5 25.Nxb5 Bxb2 26.Rc5 Be5 27.Kh1 Bd6 28.Nxd6 Kxd6 29.Rdc1 f4 30.Nd1 Re8 31.R5c3 Re5 32.Kg1 Rxd5 33.Rc8 Ke6 34.Nc3 Re5 35.Re1 g5 36.g3 Kf7 37.Nd1 Ba6 38.Rh8 Kg6 39.Rg8+ Kh5 40.Rc8 b5 41.Ra8 Bb7 42.Ra7 Rc5 43.Kf1 b4 44.Nb2 Rc2 45.Rb1 e3 46.Nd3 Bg2+ 47.Kxg2 Rxa7 white resigned. 0-1
thank u :) i think i was too eager to attack also i didnt develope my pieces correctly i was just like oh the king is out there i have to get him haha
Aug 14, 2007
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#15
erik wrote: generally i try and diffuse it right away by saying something like "I just want you to know that I know that your opening play is a childish attempt to humiliate me or feel better about yourself."
Yeah, thats a great way of "diffusing" a situation :P
Sometimes people are just experimenting with different openings for their own reasons, not everyone plays chess on here to look smart (or else I'd give up now!)
Having said that... yeah that one does look a bit crazy.
gg.i think the guy ur playing is somewhat like Erik Morales. he's a counter-puncher.at first, he'll tempt u to attack, and once he sees a weakness in your attack....that's when he'll counter-attack.lol.
but plainly put...he's just bullying you!....i guess.
Aug 14, 2007
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#17
Puppaz wrote: erik wrote: generally i try and diffuse it right away by saying something like "I just want you to know that I know that your opening play is a childish attempt to humiliate me or feel better about yourself."
Yeah, thats a great way of "diffusing" a situation :P
Sometimes people are just experimenting with different openings for their own reasons, not everyone plays chess on here to look smart (or else I'd give up now!)
Having said that... yeah that one does look a bit crazy.
Aug 14, 2007
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#18
Took me a while to figure out what that smiley meant, I thought you were trying to show off your dental work or something :P
thats what he did he tempted me :(
erik wrote:
guys, the reason people play this kind of opening is so that they can prove that they are SOOOOO much better than you that they can start out in a MUCH worse position and still win. it is an ego thing for them. "i can make the worst two moves at the start of the game and STILL beat you." and frankly, it is humiliating to lose to someone who makes these two starting moves. generally i try and diffuse it right away by saying something like "I just want you to know that I know that your opening play is a childish attempt to humiliate me or feel better about yourself."
I would rather qualify this opening unorthodox instead of weak.
This opening has intrigued me through the years and not in a way that it is a childish thing or an offending opening to the opponent. Since there isn't a lot documented about it I put it to the test and found the most stable variant possible.
1. e4 f6 2. d4 kf7 3. nf3 Qe8 4. nc3 e6
In my opinion it's a form of castling when using it right. Of all 'weak' opening moves not controlling the center this gave me a good space for controlling the central squares.
I like to vary in styles and consider it as a good opening in a "very" closed defending / counter attacking style by using the king as an extra active piece for pawn protection.
A 'no-go' for white: If white threats the king on f7 like a shooting disc by trying to check all over again with the queen directly, black has a major advantage by developing it's pawns and playing the queen all over the board.
Second advantage is that It forces creative non-book play which I like since a lot of players are playing on the automatic pilot for a while in the opening book. It makes the opening more human then a safe / studied one.
The 'childish' thing in it can be if you are going to wander around with the king, like the example with the queen for white. It doesn't develop 'anything' like with every opening move a good continuation is important.
There has to be some thought about it, when I use it.. the king doesn't move from the square until the end of the middle or endgame. Sometimes I won with it, sometimes I lost, but the thing given is that it brought some great games and all games were decided in the endgame, not during a blunder in the opening.
Opening with white is also ok in the mirrored variation
I've tested this opening move with Chessmaster 10 by setting up a game with Chessmaster playing against itself on the strongest settings giving white a solid opening and black the Fried Fox defence with the best variation as posted before.
Black won by checkmate