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Beating 1. d4 - Any recommendations?

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tygxc

@20

King's Indian Defense is very risky.
Nimzovich Indian Defense is hard to play.
Queen's Gambit, either Declined, or Accepted, of Slav Defense are more natural.

Optimissed
Chesspro1334 wrote:
I am an aggressive 1. e4 player who looks for attacking positions. I am trying to find something that has an aggressive quality against 1. d4 as Black. I have already tried the Dutch (1… f5) but that sometimes gives me weak positions that my opponents can exploit. I am currently playing 1… d5 but there are a lot of sidelines for white that I don’t know how to counter. I am looking for a different first move that gives me attacking chances against 1. d4. I would love some recommendations! Thanks in advance!

The Modern Benoni is possibly the only realistic try if you have to win, unless you're aware of a particular weakness your particular opponent has. The reason is that the game is so completely unbalanced if white plays into it and if not, development is easy for black. Don't play 1. .... d5. That's an absolute no-no if you have to or want desperately to win. Some like 1. ... e6 but that just invites a French. So 1. ...Nf6.

Optimissed
Chesspro1334 wrote:
Many people here are recommending Nimzo-Indian and KID so I will check those out, thank you!

Both are definite negatives. Black can't force a Nimzo Indian and the Queen's Indian is just about the most complex and difficult opening to play and white is on the front foot, whilst against the Nimzo white has too many options. Same with the King's Indian. It's no good at all until you've studied it for 5 years. Quite simply you wouldn't know what to do.

There's less theory in the Modern Benoni. It's more seat of the pants stuff.

Optimissed
ehgda wrote:

I would recommend kid or 1c5 the benoni

That virtually loses btw. The Modern Benoni, not that rubbish. White has too many options to get an unbeatable position.

Chess16723
Very interesting, Modern Benoni 1800 tries to tell me that every other opening is trash
Chess16723
I am simply looking for recommendations, not criticism of the recommendations
Chess16723
As for the rest of you who are interested in this thread, I have made my choice and will not respond here further
magipi
tygxc wrote:

@11

"You throw history and common sense out of the window, and what for?"
++ When Nimzovich fled from Russia to Denmark, a mistake was made in the German transliteration of his name in his passport: it should have been Niemzowitsch and it was written Nimzowitsch. The English transliteration is Nimzovich.
When Nimzovich died from pneumonia on 16 March 1935 his brother Bernhard wrote a letter requesting the world of chess to thank his brother by naming the openings and variations he created with his name. His name was Nimzovich/Nimzowitsch/Niemzowitsch, not 'Nimzo'. It is a matter of respect.

Grünfeld (literally: 'Green Field') is written with ü, and should otherwise be transliterated as Gruenfeld.

Seriously, what does this has to do with anything?

It's entirely obvious that I wasn't talking about this Grünfeld vs Gruenfeld vs Grunfeld stuff. I was talking about the fact that you randomly changed the name of the openings, putting in some words that are not there.

It is a fact that those openings have names, and you butchered those for no reason other than your own enjoyment.

tygxc

@28

Nimzovich himself called it New Indian Defense, so Nimzovich Indian Defense is a fitting name as a tribute to him as per the reasonable request of his brother.

You throw history out of the window for no reason other than your own enjoyment.

magipi
tygxc wrote:

@28

Nimzovich himself called it New Indian Defense, so Nimzovich Indian Defense is a fitting name as a tribute to him as per the reasonable request of his brother.

You throw history out of the window for no reason other than your own enjoyment.

You can't just rename an opening that already has a name. Just because it "is a fitting name", that doesn't matter. It already has a name. A name that everyone uses and understand. It's not for you to rename it.

tygxc

I can and I do.

ThrillerFan
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
magipi wrote:
tygxc wrote:

Grünfeld Indian Defense, Nimzovich Indian Defense,

Last time I checked, that's not how these openings are called.

I mean, the Nimzo-Indian was named after Nimzowitsch (Nimzovich), and the Grunfeld is an Indian Game, so nothing here is incorrect, it's likely just language-based naming convention discrepancies.

But most don't stick in the word "Indian" for the Grunfeld. It is known as the Grunfeld Defense, even though it falls in the category of Indian Defenses. It is like how 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 is not called the Queen's Gambit Slav. It is merely the Slav Defense, while the Queen's Gambit Declined is specifically 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6.

tygxc

@32

Grünfeld Defense or Gruenfeld Defense (as in Chess Informant) is OK, but it is an Indian Defense: Nf6 and g6 like in Chaturanga.

Nimzo-Indian is disrespectful towards Nimzovich.

Kaeldorn

Bah, again, there is nothing official in openings names. All what happens when one uses a name that is not the most commonly used one, is to be misunderstand, thassal there is.

DrSpudnik

You don't beat d4. You don't beat e4. You don't beat Nf3.... You beat someone's middlegame blunder or endgame goofup.

Kaeldorn
DrSpudnik a écrit :

You don't beat d4. You don't beat e4. You don't beat Nf3.... You beat someone's middlegame blunder or endgame goofup.

I said it already at #15 and #16.

SwimmerBill

KID leads to a complex game with chances for both sides. It is an opening where one can learn a lot from wins and losses. If you want interesting games and to improve try KID.

It's not one where black has a mechanical attacking formation with one well trod plan of attack. For that try stonewall dutch. If you want to crush people at your level in blitz, try stonewall dutch.

All just my opinion--Bill

Destroyer_of_Pieces

Try the Dutch with f5, Nf6, g6, Bg7, O-O. Also bring your queen to e8 and knight to d7 in an attempt to push for e5, perfect for aggressive players. The best part is that most of them aren't prepared for the f-pawn push!

TwoMove

If the OP has problems with 1...d5 sidelines, then going to have even more problems with more complicated openings. So would suggest improving what knows something about already.

Carlsen played several games with stonewall dutch, and had a course on chess24, Just curious what happened after chess24 demise, is the content available somewhere else now?

French-n-Caro

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