Best moves for White in the Philidor Counter Attack?

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gremmy9

Hi all,

   I recently encountered the Philidor Counter Attack (1.e4 e5 2. Bc4 c6) in a game and had never seen it before.  I searched the web and found that it is not used by GMs, as it is considered unsound, but I could not find an analysis of its lines anywhere.  Anybody have any guidance on playing against this defense as White?  Thanks!

waffllemaster

Yes, and remember when you see attack in the name they're white openings and defenses are black's. 

Kingwraith
RoseQueen1985 wrote:

Nf3 should have been the next move. Since c6 is covered by a pawn now black can't defend the e pawn with Nc6.The reason why you didn't find anything is because someohow you got the name wrong. That is not a philidor,that's a bishop opening,and 2.c6 is a perfectly fine idea. The idea is of course,to hit you with d5,which is a typical counter for black in double king pawn openings.

Philidor counter attack is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 f5?!, it's a pseudo reversed King's gambit a tempo down.


You seem to be confusing the Philidor Defense:Philidor countergambit with the Bishop's opening: Philidor Counterattack which is the line given by the op.  Both the Chess.com opening explorer and wikipedia call this line the Philidor Counterattack.  Perhaps they're confused--I don't know.  I assume it is so called because Philidor seemed to originate it and used it successfully as black in a few games.

NimzoRoy

There are 259 (unannotated) games with this line in CB BIG DB 2011 (5.3 million games). My advice is either buy this DB or something similar if you're interested in obscure lines or else stick to lines that are less obscure - unless you don't mind being a pathfinder.

OR you could learn how to use search engines and look this up yourself (HINT: type Philidor Counter Attack in a search engine look up page)

http://www.cln.org/searching_faqs.html

pfren

No, it's not unsound- it's perfectly playable.

It is simply not played much at GM level for a simple reason: 2.Bc4 is extremely rare at high level chess.

gremmy9

Yeah it is definitely called the Philidor Counter Attack, which is different from the other kind of Philidor, I think that's what's being confused here.

Thanks everyone, I did end up finding a bit on it here:

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/unusual.html#A7