In the second game.
4. d3
What? Why not d4?
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Kupov3 wrote:
In the second game.
4. d3
What? Why not d4?
Could have done d4 but in either Queen's or King's gambit I never see both pawns being pushed up to the centre until the bishop takes the gambit pawn.
Dec 17, 2009
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#64
PatrickRice wrote:
If you are looking to learn openings, i would suggest that you learn the following:
(White)
An e4 opening - Four Knights
A d4 opening - The Queen's Gambit Declined
Non e4/d4 opening - The Reti
(Black)
A response to e4 - The Caro Kann
A response to d4 - The Queens Gambit Declined.
I agree with #7... except for The Caro Kann as a response to e4.
If you like to play 1.e4 as White, the Caro Kann has much subtleties and positional ideas. This makes the game take on different "Characteristics" than open game that e4 players like. In this case, I would rather advocate "Hungarian Defense" (Be7) as simple and safe opening to learn. Positions are similar to the Four Knights and you can play against almost everything, including Ruy Lopez. (eg. bring out both knights to f6 and c6, Bishop to e7, and castles)
Of course, if you like to play 1.d4 as White, then Caro Kann is a perfect choice as Black against 1.e4 !
Dec 17, 2009
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#65
RE: #65 Game 1: Rapidfire220 (1212) vs. collegekid (1195)
The opening (Vienna Gambit) was popular in the late 1800s / early 1900s
8.Qxg4? is actually a bad move, because it waste a tempo (which is VERY important for White as he already sacked a Knight). 8...Nf6 9.Qxf4 Bd6 10.Qf2 Be5 is clearly winning for Black (you can check with Fritz or other programs).
Better is 8.d4 though Capablanca refuted this with 8...d5 9.ed Qe7+ 10.Kf2 g3+ 11.Kg1 Nxd4! 12.Qxd4 Qc5 13.Ne2 Qb6! 14.Qxb6 axb6 15.Nd4 Bc5 16.c3 Ra4 and Black wins a pawn with winning endgame (Corzo-Capablanca,1900). This line is very much forced. Interestingly, this game was played when Capablanca was not yet 12 years old !
By the way, in this Vienna Gambit, after 4.Nf3 g5, try 5.h3!? to prevent g4 first then you can play Bc4, d4/d3, O-O before lauching attack on Balck King. This h3!? is fully playable here but not in the King's Gambit proper, because there it waste too much time. (you can verify this with Fritz/programs)
Dec 17, 2009
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#66
RE: #65 "The opening seems to work well for me but does anyone have any ideas for what to do if my opponent declines the King's Gambit?"
I played this opening long (30+yrs) time ago. If Black does not play exf4, then easiest thing White can plan: (note that this plan may be disrupted by Black, so it is only good against <1800 ELO player)
- develop the Knights (both) normally
- Bc4 to help prevent ...d5
- d3
- when situation allows, push f5 and storm the king side with g4/h4, g5/h5
Poompat wrote:
RE: #65 Game 1: Rapidfire220 (1212) vs. collegekid (1195)
The opening (Vienna Gambit) was popular in the late 1800s / early 1900s
8.Qxg4? is actually a bad move, because it waste a tempo (which is VERY important for White as he already sacked a Knight). 8...Nf6 9.Qxf4 Bd6 10.Qf2 Be5 is clearly winning for Black (you can check with Fritz or other proThe grams).
Better is 8.d4 though Capablanca refuted this with 8...d5 9.ed Qe7+ 10.Kf2 g3+ 11.Kg1 Nxd4! 12.Qxd4 Qc5 13.Ne2 Qb6! 14.Qxb6 axb6 15.Nd4 Bc5 16.c3 Ra4 and Black wins a pawn with winning endgame (Corzo-Capablanca,1900). This line is very much forced. Interestingly, this game was played when Capablanca was not yet 12 years old !
By the way, in this Vienna Gambit, after 4.Nf3 g5, try 5.h3!? to prevent g4 first then you can play Bc4, d4/d3, O-O before lauching attack on Balck King. This h3!? is fully playable here but not in the King's Gambit proper, because there it waste too much time. (you can verify this with Fritz/programs)
By the time I move the queen out the opponent's kingside is already exposed and I am not going to worry about losing tempo when I am going to attack the king.
Rapidfire, when someone spends his time giving tips and advices, it´s usually a good idea to listen to them, atleast if he got about 1000 more rating points than you do.
It´s not an attack, it´s advice.
I believe the position you should aim for is thus:
Of course you always have to consider your opponent's move, but going for the center is key.You might castle queenside if you wish too, then storm your opponent with pawns if he castles kingside, starting with h4.
Fianchettos are good for indirect attacks on the center, so you want to keep the diagonal of the fianchettoed bishop open, i.e., with your pawns blocking (knights are ok since they will move around if needed).
Tricklev wrote:
Rapidfire, when someone spends his time giving tips and advices, it´s usually a good idea to listen to them, atleast if he got about 1000 more rating points than you do.
It´s not an attack, it´s advice.
He was saying I should not have moved my queen out by after attacking his kingside with my queen and rook I managed to checkmate him. If I did not move the queen out I am sure it would not have turned out well for me.
DraeKlae wrote:
I believe the position you should aim for is thus:
Of course you always have to consider your opponent's move, but going for the center is key.
You might castle queenside if you wish too, then storm your opponent with pawns if he castles kingside, starting with h4.
Fianchettos are good for indirect attacks on the center, so you want to keep the diagonal of the fianchettoed bishop open, i.e., with your pawns blocking (knights are ok since they will move around if needed).
Thank you for explaining; I aim for that position and if they try to put pawns in the centre and stop it I do a gambit to try and undermine their centre control. I have kind of stopped fianchettoes now so that does not really matter.
Yes, the video on King's Gambit suggests moving the queen out.
Gambitking wrote:
Actually, you guys should go on youtube on a video that lists king's gambit... I told him that Qxg4 in the Allgaier was a bad idea, but he didn't seem to believe me! I think it's "jrobichess" or something... anyways, though, I don't think White is dead yet in the Allgaier. There are other options for him to vary that I've been researching... the Allgaier OUGHT to be just as sound as the Muzio, and we all know the Muzio ALONE would be enough to enshrine the King's Gambit as a worthy chess opening (according to Bronstein!)
The Gambit King
Actually I understand that the current theoretical conclusions are that the Muzio should be refuted with correct play while for the Allgaier there is no clear refutation as yet. Personally I find the Muzio difficult to play against in fast games, so that I have started avoiding it if the time control is shorter than 10 minutes. I don't believe that it could be sound though.
Gambitking wrote:
Actually, you guys should go on youtube on a video that lists king's gambit... I told him that Qxg4 in the Allgaier was a bad idea, but he didn't seem to believe me! I think it's "jrobichess" or something... anyways, though, I don't think White is dead yet in the Allgaier. There are other options for him to vary that I've been researching... the Allgaier OUGHT to be just as sound as the Muzio, and we all know the Muzio ALONE would be enough to enshrine the King's Gambit as a worthy chess opening (according to Bronstein!)
The Gambit King
I´m not sure how strong Jrobichess is, but he can´t be very strong, have you seen his videos on positionall understanding? He sets chessmaster on Capablanca vs some strong player, then he pauses the game midway, and he tries to think of "positionall lines" then he starts the game again and see if he got any move correct.
Learning positionall understanding by watching chessmaster games is just fail.
Jrobichess is a video blog of a beginner. So it's great for his friends or non-chess players to watch.
As anything instructional it's a joke. Of course I started out worse than that guy, but I wasn't trying to teach people. It has no instructional value, it's just a beginner showing the throw away blitz games he plays, makes very poor comments on, then throws in a 12 move line of analysis clearly pulled from Fritz for which he has no understanding. He domonstrates this lack of understanding by following it with some patzer babel like, wasn't it neat how we had 6 pieces total on the c file, yeah, I thought it was kinda neat, if we had two more it would fill every square!
I can hardly make it though one video without wanting to write 10,000 characters worth of correction, and for the one video I actually sat the whole way though I felt like it made me worse of a player just for having watched. Harsh but true.
Not that I hate the guy, it'd be great if he keeps playing, gets better, etc -- and one day if I happened to meet him OTB and he beat me with good play I wouldn't care. But as he is now, he doesn't know how to play and has no instruction to offer.
The video I watched on the King's Gambit was by thechesswebsite.
Tricklev wrote:
pvmike wrote:
Okay, I'll try to explain some openings I play, or played when I was still learning the game. You focus In the opening should be to develope quickly, control the center, and get you king to safe spot, and don't give up material without compensation.
You said you don't give up material without compensation, but isn't that exactly what 5.d4 does?
4. c3 is the prefered line.
Yeah 4. c3 is the mainline, I played that for awhile, I just got tired of it. I like 4. d4, it does sac a pawn, and maybe in thoery white does not have enough compensation for the pawn but practically white gets more then enough compenstaion, here's an examaple of how black plays. At the for someone still learning to play the pawn sac won't be the deciding factor in the game.
Is controlling the centre only important in the opening?
Rapidfire220 wrote:
Is controlling the centre only important in the opening?
Yes, evrey opening move is about center control, some with pawns other with bishops/knights..
Try to think about squares when you chose your opening moves, which squares do you want to control, wich do you want to awoid your opponent from controlling. A good tip is to concentrate on one colour, if you want to have control over the black squares, trade your white bishop for a knight!
pskogli wrote:
Rapidfire220 wrote:
Is controlling the centre only important in the opening?
Yes, evrey optening move is about ceTnter control, some with pawns other with bishops/knights..
Try to think about squares when you chose your opening moves, which squares do you want to control, wich do you want to awoid your opponent from controlling. A good tip is to concentrate on one colour, if you want to have control over the black squares, trade your white bishop for a knight!
Thanks, what are the principles in the middle game and end game?
After trying several openings I have had great success with the King's Gambit Accepted. I want to post two games I have had with this opening.
In this game it is accepted and the opponent tries to defend the gambit pawn so I launch a heavy attack on the kingside.