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Have you ever wondered what the ABSOLUTE best first move is, even if it goes against your playing style?

All I ask you to do is to post an analysis where any engine you want gives an analysis starting with white's first move. That said, have a good day! happy.png

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A strange game.The only way to win is to not to play.

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There is no answer to this, but the closest you can come to an answer is the Berlin Defense for black against 1.e4 and the Queen's Gambit Declined against 1.d4. (There is no best opening for white as black can neutralise them all with best play).

 

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Statistics would indicate 1.d4, but statistics are not proof.  Case in point, statistics say more people think gender and sex are the same thing.  Proof says they are not.  It is possible for your sex to be male and your gender to be female or vice versa.

 

So stats can say what is likely the case, 1.d4, but no proof has been found for any move to be deemed best.  It could be 1.h4 for all we know, but that is doubtful!  But again, doubt is not disproof!

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my137thaccount wrote:

There is no answer to this, but the closest you can come to an answer is the Berlin Defense for black against 1.e4 and the Queen's Gambit Declined against 1.d4. (There is no best opening for white as black can neutralise them all with best play).

 

What? The Berlin can only happen against the Ruy or the Bishop's opening. You mean playing e5 Nf6 Nc3 against anything as black but this isn't even close to the best

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OpeningTheorist wrote:
my137thaccount wrote:

There is no answer to this, but the closest you can come to an answer is the Berlin Defense for black against 1.e4 and the Queen's Gambit Declined against 1.d4. (There is no best opening for white as black can neutralise them all with best play).

 

What? The Berlin can only happen against the Ruy or the Bishop's opening. You mean playing e5 Nf6 Nc3 against anything as black but this isn't even close to the best

No, I don't mean this, and neither do I recommend playing the following:

The Ruy and the Queen's Gambit are just the most theoretically critical ("best") options for white after 1.e4 and 1.d4. Sure white can also play the Scotch or the London System or any number of other lines, and against these other lines presumably the main lines are objectively best.

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my137thaccount wrote:
OpeningTheorist wrote:
my137thaccount wrote:

There is no answer to this, but the closest you can come to an answer is the Berlin Defense for black against 1.e4 and the Queen's Gambit Declined against 1.d4. (There is no best opening for white as black can neutralise them all with best play).

 

What? The Berlin can only happen against the Ruy or the Bishop's opening. You mean playing e5 Nf6 Nc3 against anything as black but this isn't even close to the best

No, I don't mean this, and neither do I recommend playing the following:

The Ruy and the Queen's Gambit are just the most theoretically critical ("best") options for white after 1.e4 and 1.d4. Sure white can also play the Scotch or the London System or any number of other lines, and against these other lines presumably the main lines are objectively best.

The best? Who says that?

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my137thaccount wrote:
OpeningTheorist wrote:
my137thaccount wrote:

There is no answer to this, but the closest you can come to an answer is the Berlin Defense for black against 1.e4 and the Queen's Gambit Declined against 1.d4. (There is no best opening for white as black can neutralise them all with best play).

 

What? The Berlin can only happen against the Ruy or the Bishop's opening. You mean playing e5 Nf6 Nc3 against anything as black but this isn't even close to the best

No, I don't mean this, and neither do I recommend playing the following:

The Ruy and the Queen's Gambit are just the most theoretically critical ("best") options for white after 1.e4 and 1.d4. Sure white can also play the Scotch or the London System or any number of other lines, and against these other lines presumably the main lines are objectively best.

And who says that the Berlin Defence is the best response to the Ruy?

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King's Gambit is obviously the best opening.

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glamdring27 wrote:

King's Gambit is obviously the best opening.

Falkbeer countergambit CLEAR refutation

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"Have you ever wondered what the ABSOLUTE best first move is, even if it goes against your playing style?"

No...I barely have any class, let alone style.

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OpeningTheorist wrote:
glamdring27 wrote:

King's Gambit is obviously the best opening.

Falkbeer countergambit CLEAR refutation

 

I don't care about refutations, I'm playing on chess.com, not for the world title.  Sure, if everyone played the same tedious response I'd stop playing it, but they don't.  Some people lose in 12 moves, despite my opening and sac of a piece being totally unsound.

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glamdring27 wrote:
OpeningTheorist wrote:
glamdring27 wrote:

King's Gambit is obviously the best opening.

Falkbeer countergambit CLEAR refutation

 

I don't care about refutations, I'm playing on chess.com, not for the world title.  Sure, if everyone played the same tedious response I'd stop playing it, but they don't.  Some people lose in 12 moves, despite my opening and sac of a piece being totally unsound.

By totally unsound you mean the McDonnell gambit?

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I've no idea what it's called.  I don't learn opening names apart from the umbrella ones that cover the first couple of moves.  I just play chess.

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I'm actually amazed to discover how many times I played something else on my 2nd move.  I literally can't remember the last time I faced 1.e4 e5 and didn't play 2. f4 in a Blitz game, excluding Crazyhouse, obviously, where sac'ing a pawn like that is highly suspicious!

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That's my Blitz opening repertoire after 1....e5, according to the opening database.  I suppose I do vaguely remember playing the Bishop's opening a few times, but I'd sill have to search along way in my game archive to find the last non King's Gambit where it was an option!

Given that record with 2. Nf3 no wonder I don't play it grin.png

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glamdring27 wrote:

I'm actually amazed to discover how many times I played something else on my 2nd move.  I literally can't remember the last time I faced 1.e4 e5 and didn't play 2. f4 in a Blitz game, excluding Crazyhouse, obviously, where sac'ing a pawn like that is highly suspicious!

That's my Blitz opening repertoire after 1....e5, according to the opening database.  I suppose I do vaguely remember playing the Bishop's opening a few times, but I'd sill have to search along way in my game archive to find the last non King's Gambit where it was an option!

Given that record with 2. Nf3 no wonder I don't play it 

King's gamit gives more wins becouse it's less know and people accept it without knowing any defense. I used to get in trouble going for the Fischer's defense, now I just play the QGD

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superchessmachine wrote:

Adriel, you already started a thread on this. Just keep playing London and Sicilian. It is too late to switch.

Oh, come on, Yash.

I made this forum for one reason: to see what (the latest version of) Stockfish thinks the perfect opening is.

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By the way, just for fun, whoever can post an exact Stockfish mainline at the highest depth gets three trophies!!

Please do not lie (or spam, for that matter)!

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You can easily do this if you go to https://lichess.org/analysis (not advertising). The trouble is that it has absolutely no value in any form, and you can be certain that Carlsen and Caruana will not be thinking about this in their world championship match in November.

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MathWizKidA wrote:

By the way, just for fun, whoever can post an exact Stockfish mainline at the highest depth gets three trophies!!

Please do not lie (or spam, for that matter)!

A line of what?