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I have been playing the Nimzo Indian, and transpose into the QGD if White plays 3. Nf3.  Now, however, I would like to start playing the Bogo-Indian.  It is very hard for me to find resources on this opening, and was wondering what everyone knew about the following lines:

Thanks in advance,

Arcanus_Lupus

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Surely somebody knows something.

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Bogo-Indian Defence is a variation of the Indian Defense. It can transpose into Queen's Gambit if Black is willing too. The variation you listed is the Nimzovich Variation. 

Check this out: http://www.365chess.com/eco/E11_Bogo-Indian_defence

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Thanks for your help, but I was looking for more specifics of the variations.

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if they play 4.Nc3 u can go either d5 or Bxc3 and then d5 and then maube castle kingside and play Nbd7 my suggestion....

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u can also try these:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogo-Indian_Defence and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UOk5TLTrF4

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Does anyone else know anything?

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theres only a few old book on it from what i saw on amazon. So im guessing your best bet for info would be the video series berry mentioned.

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Eingorn's "Rock solid ..." book has some information on BogoIndian, for a particular move order. Probably the most recent book. Older books, i.e from Gambit, are more complete, and don't think theory has changed that much.

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The book "chess openings for black explained" gives a black repertoire based on the Nimzo and Bogo Indian.

I still have to learn it and I'm not even sure I'm gonna play it, but I'll post you a couple of lines that the book gives. It might be helpful.

 



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Another main line: when white plays 6. Nc3

 

 

 

 

And here's what happens if white plays 4.Nbd2:

 



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Avrukh gives uptodate information on 6Nc3 line mentioned.  Eingorn most update on 4Nb-d2 0.0, which I like better than 4...b6.

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Yes it's a repertoire for black, not for white.

Many times the authors have simply made a choice, with consideration even to what it's easier to learn and similar to other lines.

 

The important thing is that there isn't any hole on what white can do, and that the end positions are playable and pretty much equal.

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Monticelli Trap:

My game against it (loss):




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i don't know about the bogo-indian, but i play the queens indian, and like it a lot. It's actually similar, and can transpose a lot of the time

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Thanks for the replies

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Keep in mind that the "Bogus-Indian" Defense FREQUENTLY transposes into some other opening. In the meantime, just type the opening into a search engine, and consider purchasing "Fundamental Chess Openings" if you can afford it - for basic explanations of the ideas behind all major openings and variations.

AND you can look up numerous articles/blogs on BID right here at chess.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogo-Indian_Defence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGopBi40JZo

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=E11

http://www.chess.com/article/view/bogo-indian-defence-by-gm-magesh-and-gm-arun

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Does anyone know much about the 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 a5 lines?



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Estragon wrote:

As one who's played the Nimzoindian complex more or less exclusively for some 35 years at all levels and types of competition, I've tried out Bogo-indian lines several times.  I've never been confident in them against decent players, Black just doesn't seem to get the active counterplay possible in other lines - including the QID in many lines, and the QGD in some.

I won't say I've eliminated the Bogo from my repertoire entirely, but I've pulled it out ever more rarely over the years.

 

Thanks for the input.

Do you have an opinion specifically on the 4...Qe7 line?

 

Perhaps one of point of strength of the Bogo is its simplicity?

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For the 4...Qe7, as mentioned before, the lines with 6Nc3 which Avrukh covers, black doesn't fully equalise. At least in GM standard games, Michael Adams for example played this line a lot when younger, but has given it up for Queens Indian recent years. 

4...a5 lines look more interesting to me. Marin has a free article about it on chessbase site.