Book on 3...c6 in Pirc

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Isn't there a book on 3...c6 in the Pirc?  Specifically the moves 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 c6 (see: http://www.365chess.com/eco/B07_Pirc_Ufimtsev-Pytel_variation)  I tend to recall seeing a book on this several years ago though I guess I could be mistaken.  I'm asking for a friend who is discouraged with the Modern Defense -- I want to recommend something that at least isn't too drastically different.

Thanks in advance.  Oh BTW I just faced this in an OTB tourney this past weekend, and played the un-inspiring 4. e5?! (he was rated over 200 points higher than me and I was hoping for a draw - no such luck)  From now on I will however try 4.h3 as played by Fedorchuk a couple of years ago, and Movsesian in the 2001 FIDE World Championship knockout cycle.

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I don't know any specific book, but the line is discussed in Nunn's "The Complete Pirc" and in Lakdawala's "1. ... d6, move by move".

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Why need a book? Play according to the situation--BTW, I believe the opening is called the Czech defense but I am not certain.

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newengland7 wrote:

Why need a book? Play according to the situation--BTW, I believe the opening is called the Czech defense but I am not certain.

Look I asked for a book so just STFU if you don't know of one.

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Yes, there is:

Here is a screenshot from the introduction.  I sometimes play this variation, have this book, and like it.

Also, there is a 2-part video about this system by IM Andrew Martin.  Again, I have these, and enjoyed them while learning this system.  I won't pass judgement about the opening itself -- I'm not a very strong player, so I'll leave that to my betters.

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G0INGP0STAL wrote:
newengland7 wrote:

Why need a book? Play according to the situation--BTW, I believe the opening is called the Czech defense but I am not certain.

Look I asked for a book so just STFU if you don't know of one.

Classy.  If you're a correspondence "expert" from the 80s, why do you have the maturity of a middle-schooler? 

PS, tell your friend to grow up and ask his own questions, unless of course that "friend" is you. 

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Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
G0INGP0STAL wrote:
newengland7 wrote:

Why need a book? Play according to the situation--BTW, I believe the opening is called the Czech defense but I am not certain.

Look I asked for a book so just STFU if you don't know of one.

Classy.  If you're a correspondence "expert" from the 80s, why do you have the maturity of a middle-schooler? 

PS, tell your friend to grow up and ask his own questions, unless of course that "friend" is you. 

A. I asked for a book -- the reading-impaired need not reply
B. I suggested this opening to a friend and volunteered to do some research.  How does that make HIM immature, he's not even a member of this site?  And WTF would I need to pretend to be my own friend on a site where I can already be anonymous.

You need to look at yourself in the mirror moron. 

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TurboFish wrote:

Yes, there is:

 

Here is a screenshot from the introduction.  I sometimes play this variation, have this book, and like it.

 

Also, there is a 2-part video about this system by IM Andrew Martin.  Again, I have these, and enjoyed them while learning this system.  I won't pass judgement about the opening itself -- I'm not a very strong player, so I'll leave that to my betters.

Perfect thanks

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G0INGP0STAL wrote:
 And WTF would I need to pretend...

I never thought of using WTF(What The F) as Why The F? Always learning something new in the forums;)

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trysts wrote:
G0INGP0STAL wrote:
 And WTF would I need to pretend...

I never thought of using WTF(What The F) as Why The F? Always learning something new in the forums;)

Glad I could be of service.  And now that I have a book recommendation this thread can go as far off topic as anybody wants to take it, I don't care anymore.

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It's a great opening, the Czech Defense. I use it all-the-time. In fact I only use two defences as black--the Czech Defense and the Benoni Defense--for the last six years:)

edited: Actually maybe seven or eight years now, I'm not sure?

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trysts wrote:

It's a great opening, the Czech Defense. I use it all-the-time. In fact I only use two defences as black--the Czech Defense and the Benoni Defense--for the last six years:)

edited: Actually maybe seven or eight years now, I'm not sure?

Interesting, I should look at your games with the Czech Defense since I think I should be able to get better results with it than I've mananged so far.  I recently bought a book on the Benoni out of curiousity, but I've been warned by A-class friends of mine that it's "too risky" for black.  Maybe that's more true at the higher levels; maybe I shouldn't worry as much as a B-player?

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TurboFish wrote:
trysts wrote:

It's a great opening, the Czech Defense. I use it all-the-time. In fact I only use two defences as black--the Czech Defense and the Benoni Defense--for the last six years:)

edited: Actually maybe seven or eight years now, I'm not sure?

Interesting, I should look at your games with the Czech Defense since I think I should be able to get better results with it than I've mananged so far.  I recently bought a book on the Benoni out of curiousity, but I've been warned by A-class friends of mine that it's "too risky" for black.  Maybe that's more true at the higher levelsm; maybe I shouldn't worry as much as a B-player?

I think since you have a paid membership here you'll be able to see every game I've played? I only get to see the last three games. I don't think I have any games of the over a thousand I've played here where I didn't use the Czech and Benoni defense as black? I even have used a reverse Czech defense as white:)

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TurboFish wrote:
trysts wrote:

It's a great opening, the Czech Defense. I use it all-the-time. In fact I only use two defences as black--the Czech Defense and the Benoni Defense--for the last six years:)

edited: Actually maybe seven or eight years now, I'm not sure?

Interesting, I should look at your games with the Czech Defense since I think I should be able to get better results with it than I've mananged so far.  I recently bought a book on the Benoni out of curiousity, but I've been warned by A-class friends of mine that it's "too risky" for black.  Maybe that's more true at the higher levelsm; maybe I shouldn't worry as much as a B-player?

Here's a link to 54 games by Czech IM Pribyl himself:

http://www.365chess.com/search_result.php?search=1&m=6&n=167&ms=e4.d6.d4.Nf6.Nc3.c6&bid=2491

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@trysts, out of 1634 completed games, it looks like I have access to about your last 150 games.  That should be enough examples :)  Let me know if I can be of any help by downloading and sending to you any of those pgn files.

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TurboFish wrote:

@trysts, out of 1634 completed games, it looks like I have access to about your last 150 games.  That should be enough examples :)  Let me know if I can be of any help by downloading and sending to you any of those pgn files.

That's so nice of you, TurboFish, thank you:) But I don't analyse my games, except once in a great while. Thank you again anywaySmile

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TurboFish wrote:

@trysts, out of 1634 completed games, it looks like I have access to about your last 150 games.  That should be enough examples :)  Let me know if I can be of any help by downloading and sending to you any of those pgn files.

I really think you should follow my link and check out the games of a titled master.

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G0INGP0STAL wrote:
TurboFish wrote:

@trysts, out of 1634 completed games, it looks like I have access to about your last 150 games.  That should be enough examples :)  Let me know if I can be of any help by downloading and sending to you any of those pgn files.

I really think you should follow my link and check out the games of a titled master.

Yes, of course that makes perfect sense.  I'll look at those games too.  Thanks for reminding me about that link.

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TurboFish wrote:
G0INGP0STAL wrote:
TurboFish wrote:

@trysts, out of 1634 completed games, it looks like I have access to about your last 150 games.  That should be enough examples :)  Let me know if I can be of any help by downloading and sending to you any of those pgn files.

I really think you should follow my link and check out the games of a titled master.

Yes, of course that makes perfect sense.  I'll look at those games too.  Thanks for reminding me about that link.

Ok, and again thanks for going out of your way to get me a screen shot of the intro to that book, I emailed it to my friend.

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G0INGP0STAL wrote:

Ok, and again thanks for going out of your way to get me a screen shot of the intro to that book, I emailed it to my friend.

I got that screenshot from the amazon.com page for the book.  Like many of the recently published books advertised there, you can "Look Inside" the book before deciding whether to purchase it.  Often they allow access to only a few pages, but in this case you can see a surprising amount of the book.  Here is the link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1857446836?keywords=lakdawala&qid=1445301268&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3

PeskyGnat's post #55 links to an older book mentioning the Czech Defense.  I have that book too, but I found Lakdawala's book to be more detailed, and it's presumably more up-to-date on theory.

Another resource (especially if playing as white against the Czech Defense) is the reviews posted on amazon for both of these books.  Some of these reviews question the soundness of this opening for black, and offer specific lines for white.  I'm not yet convinced that there is a definite refutation, but the lines offered there are probably worth looking into for anyone playing this opening, or playing against it.