Can anyone post some d3 Lopez

ZedsDead87

Hi all, can anyone post some games, videos, or just elaborate on the d3 Ruy Lopez line? I’ve been just playing the exchange and want to try the d3 Lopez to learn some different positions. I know I’m low rated, but your info could help others as well as everywhere online wants me to purchase a dvd. So go ahead flaunt your d3 Lopez info. Thank you 

IMBacon

 In the 3 years you have been here, it looks like you have asked how to play just about every opening there is.  In the 3 years your ratings: Rapid 892, and Blitz 583.  I have no idea how serious you are about improving, so if you're here just to have fun ignore this.  But if you're trying to improve, bouncing from one opening to another is not the answer.

ZedsDead87

Yes Diakona we know we know. Haven’t played on here in years. Stop spamming the forums miss. And yes I was guilty

of too many openings when I started I didn’t know any better. Don’t worry about your post count. Just either awnser it or shut up.  I even said this post would help others not just me. I think most would agree were sick of your Crap

kindaspongey

Maybe look at The Ruy Lopez: Move by Move by Neil McDonald (2011).
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627022042/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen153.pdf

DeirdreSkye

Here are some typical plans:


     This is usually what top players do but that doesn't mean it's the only way and it doesn't mean you must do what top players do. Let's see an easy set-up that keeps things simple.

 

 

One more game , this time with better players.

 

 

 

ZedsDead87

Thank you for your time everyone. 

tmkroll

If you want to be dogmatic about it usually h3 is played in the Ruy to enable d4. In principle it seems it's a waste of time to play it when d3 is played instead. When I play d3 I'm actually hoping my opponent plays Bg4 so I can then play h3 and if Bh4 then Nd2-f1-g3, gain time against the Bishop, and either grab the Bishop pair or stick the Knight on f5 and make Black trade it off anyway. That said, very strong players do play Bg4 with in some of those positions anyway and meet h3 by swapping on f3 right away. Now I don't think those positions are so bad for White or anything but it seems they're not so bad for Black either as it might seem at first, you can't always be dogmatic, it always depends on the individual position, the Bishop pair isn't everything, etc.

DeirdreSkye
tmkroll wrote:

If you want to be dogmatic about it usually h3 is played in the Ruy to enable d4. In principle it seems it's a waste of time to play it when d3 is played instead. When I play d3 I'm actually hoping my opponent plays Bg4 so I can then play h3 and if Bh4 then Nd2-f1-g3, gain time against the Bishop, and either grab the Bishop pair or stick the Knight on f5 and make Black trade it off anyway. That said, very strong players do play Bg4 with in some of those positions anyway and meet h3 by swapping on f3 right away. Now I don't think those positions are so bad for White or anything but it seems they're not so bad for Black either as it might seem at first, you can't always be dogmatic, it always depends on the individual position, the Bishop pair isn't everything, etc.

h3 is usually played when white wants to  play Re1 as Ng4 often is annoying or offers Black some additional options.

The same is the case in Italian which is the sibling opening.

 

 

ZedsDead87

Just want to thank IMbacon, GodsPawn2016, aka Diakonia for her multiple accounts and being the strongest woman on chess.com. Good job girl, master of opening principles. Yay. Thanks everyone else for actually contributing and not letting your feminist views corrode the forum 

DeirdreSkye

IMBacon tried to help. He is actually right. Bouncing from one opening to the other is not going to help you.

What I did (give you what you wanted) was actually harmful but I very well know that no force is able to stop an amatuer that wants to study openings. I did what they do in some countries with drugs addicts. I  gave you your dose in a "controlled and safe environment".

ZedsDead87

Well said DS well said. I guess I’ll play on this site so I can post without the attitude from everyone. Maybe my next post I’ll tell everybody “I’m an aggressive player”. Everybody needs to chill. I simply asked for some d3 games. Y’all act like I said I’m going to be GM tomorrow. Y’all worse than the watch collection forum. It’s just a game. I said it once I’ll say it again, I was very guilty of studying openings my first year. But I don’t think anyone 800 or 2400 should get beat up cause they want to dip a toe in the Ruy when they even said I play the exchange and I want some info on the d3. Come on ppl. This ain’t s 

DeirdreSkye
ZedsDead87 wrote:

Well said DS well said. I guess I’ll play on this site so I can post without the attitude from everyone. Maybe my next post I’ll tell everybody “I’m an aggressive player”. Everybody needs to chill. I simply asked for some d3 games. Y’all act like I said I’m going to be GM tomorrow. Y’all worse than the watch collection forum. It’s just a game. I said it once I’ll say it again, I was very guilty of studying openings my first year. But I don’t think anyone 800 or 2400 should get beat up cause they want to dip a toe in the Ruy when they even said I play the exchange and I want some info on the d3. Come on ppl. This ain’t s 

      I agree with most of what you say but not all.

      If a guy wants to swim in the ocean then very reasonably I will ask him if he is a good swimmer and I will advise him to learn to swim in a pool first. What is wrong with that?

     We gave you what you wanted but we additionally gave you what you needed! You don't care but maybe others who read this care. It's a public forum as you might know. When one says something he must also consider the possibility that he might mislead people in thinking that what you are doing is ok. "Dipping a toe" is fine but that's how "swimming in the ocean" always starts, no?

    You have every right to either dip a toe or swim in the ocean but why don't I have the same right to warn against the latter?

     

ZedsDead87

My apologies to DS and Bacon. I guess some posts really deserve the classic Bacon response. 

tmkroll

Yeah I often do play Re2 when that happens and I'm not sure what's wrong with it but I think perhaps the "book" response in that line in the Ruy that I play is to put the rook back on f1 and then at some point you do have to play something else to avoid repetition if Black is trying to annoy you. Just glancing at lines from the d3 Ruy on chess base h3 is played quite often when Bc5 is played and Ng4 would be annoying, but when it is not it seems Ng4 is hardly ever played and when it is White does push the rook up instead of back. I'm just glancing in the free public database so when I drill down that far it's not a very large sample, though. Probably somewhere someone has a good reference of why these things are played this way.