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amitprabhale wrote:

ruy lopez for beginners


Isn't the Ruy supposed to give White better chances than almost any other opening? (Hence its popularity).

Not really an opening to play as Black then...

Besides, the Ruy has alot of theory - not something for beginners.

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JG27Pyth wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

look at the references.  it is england english.  that being said, it's heavily used in the USA.  of course it is.  i wasn't suggesting otherwise.  the interpretation that it means bullshit comes from the british not american.  sorry.  although your observation that the americans have established its heavy use is correct.

it doesn't only mean weak liquor it means any worthless stuff.  read the post.


Um. In General: Whaaa? 

Itemized:

  1.I never said it only means weak liquor -- you read the post.

2. What on earth did you mean then when you said, "hogwash is not an american word.  it's british english." If you weren't trying to suggest that American's don't use the word the wth were you suggesting?

It's used in the US, commonly. It's a word that British and American English share... +99% of the lexicon is shared.  When you say it's not american it's english you suggest that it's part of that small set of words brits use and yanks don't or vice versa... like bonnet for hood, boot for trunk, pram for baby carriage, etc.

3."look at the references.  it is england english."  Before you cut and paste you would be advised to read and understand the material you've cut and pasted... or in short: No, you look at the references! Those aren't all 'England english"   Arbuthnot was a Scot, Bret Harte was American, G.B. Shaw was Irish, Lawrence Durrell was... well... he claimed allegiance to no state and was possibly not a British citizen, he was born in India, to parents who were born in India, but he was not ethnically Indian.

4. You fail at being a nerd. I however...


lol "baby carriage."  Seriously?!  How delightfully crass.  Laughing

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Play the Caro-Kann. My results with it are great.

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sstteevveenn: lol "baby carriage."  Seriously?!  How delightfully crass.  Laughing

It's funny, writing that post I had this trans-atlantic moment of clarity where for the first time I read "baby carriage" and thought: My God. But that's awful. That said, at the same time, you can have no idea how impossibly Monty-Python-ludicrous "perambulator" sounds to us! 


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garage or car-hole. take your pick. (thank you Moe)

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goldendog wrote:

garage or car-hole. take your pick. (thank you Moe)


lol this is exactly what came to my mind.  la de da Mr. French man! Tongue out

[I was actually going to ask him if he kept his car in a car hole too, but didn't think anyone would get it.  ]

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alehkines defense isnt bad but i think you should stick with the french defense

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gbidari wrote:

Bring it on Frenchy! See post #19 for refutation.


Oh, please... Refutation my left foot! That move might scare some beginner, but no real chess player would be petrified.

Note, I am not saying it's a bad move or anything, it's just not a refutation.

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dc1985 wrote:
gbidari wrote:

Bring it on Frenchy! See post #19 for refutation.


Oh, please... Refutation my left foot! That move might scare some beginner, but no real chess player would be petrified.

Note, I am not saying it's a bad move or anything, it's just not a refutation.


These French players are so smug. They have that "I get to play my French" attitude. Think again Frenchy! I have over and over again witnessed them trembling when I whipped out 2. Qe2!  against their French. They shake like a Turkish dancer.

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JG27Pyth wrote:

That said, at the same time, you can have no idea how impossibly Monty-Python-ludicrous "perambulator" sounds to us!


I prefer it with the Marvin the Martian voice. ;)

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gbidari wrote:
dc1985 wrote:
gbidari wrote:

Bring it on Frenchy! See post #19 for refutation.


Oh, please... Refutation my left foot! That move might scare some beginner, but no real chess player would be petrified.

Note, I am not saying it's a bad move or anything, it's just not a refutation.


These French players are so smug. They have that "I get to play my French" attitude. Think again Frenchy! I have over and over again witnessed them trembling when I whipped out 2. Qe2!  against their French. They shake like a Turkish dancer.


Despite being outrated by... 300 points? I say... Bring it on! Show me what you've got!

Note... I don't see anything in my post that was "smug"... Was it the "Refuted my left foot" thing? If so, I believe that almost no opening is truly "Refuted", so it's not a French thing.

Avatar of ozzie_c_cobblepot

That's the thing with the Caro-Kann -- 1.e4 c6 2.Qe2 doesn't make any sense.

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2 Qe2 is not scary at all.

I don't like how gbidari prejudices us french players.

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dc1985,

No I didn't mean you when I was talking about the smug players that play the French. I see you declare war on 2.Qe2! Frankly I snuck a peek at your rating and I couldn't help but notice it has "666" in it which freaks me out a little if you want to know the truth. Nevertheless as Voltaire said to the priest when asked to renounce Satan "now, now, my good man, this is no time for making enemies." So, I accept. Let's get it on!

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AnthonyCG wrote:

 I played Qe2 until 2...e5.

 


That does seem to be pretty good! My french book only looks at ...c5 and ...nf6 I think, but this move just goes into a king pawn opening where the bishop was blocked and should give him immediate equality I would think, since he can't really play, after 3 Nf3 Nc6, 4 Bb5, Bc4, or d4, the only tries for some kind of advantage.

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No self-respecting French player is comfortable with 2.e5

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caro-kann all the way.

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Caro-Kann is a good beginner's opening for Black. So is Two Knights' Defense and Four Knights' Game.

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I agree, French. I played it by preference for about thirty years after the Yugoslav Attack did in my beloved Dragon Variation of the Sicilian. Only in my advanced maturity have gone in for the double king-pawn game for the black side, where you have to be prepared to defend against King's Gambit, Ruy Lopez, and the Piano.

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gbidari wrote:

No self-respecting French player is comfortable with 2.e5


I don't like playing as black in say the ruy and these things drive me away with 1...e5, but if white is going to commit to a blocked queen like that I would be very happy to go into a great version of them, avoiding every challenging white opening in 1 e4 e5.