Caro-Kann defense, 2 Knights Attack- why is it not more popular?

verylate

3...Bg4 4.h3 is pretty much automatic, and anything else should be distrusted as a beginner's try. But if you're only a class player and willing to bet on a four card flush, try the gambit 4.d4. (I think Smyslovfan has seen me play this once, a few years ago, on another server) If black takes the pawn, white gets to continue in Morphy style: 4...dxe4?! 5.Nxe4 Bxf3 6.Qxf3 Qxd4 7.Be3 and now, if the gods have a sense of humour, black will go all in with 7...Qxb2? 8.Bc4! when white is very close to winning. Taking both Rs does lead to mate, but black will probably bail with 8...Qb4+, when white gets the attack every CK player hates to face.

There are a few *ahems *along the way, of course. After taking the first pawn, black can calmly retreat 7...Qd8 and start to cover up with ...Nd7, etc. That is a rather risky gambit, and the gods don't always laugh with us. And sometimes they rain (or something) on our picnic. Black doesn't have to take the gambit pawn at all. Instead of 4...dxe4 and 5...Bxf3, black can ignore the offer with 4...e6 and 5...Bb4, getting a pretty decent french-ck hybrid.

SmyslovFan

Tartakower beat Bogo as Black with 3...d4, but I agree with PFren, white has a nice game, especially after 4.Ne2 c5 5.c3! (Not 4.c3) Keres beat Tartakower with 5.Ng3!? in 1954, but I'm not sure it was due to the opening.

Jenium

I see. Thanks for the answers @pfren and SmyslovFan.

KonigFrederic
rooperi wrote:

And there is of course "The mother of all CK traps"

 

I think this is Alekhine's game, isn't it?

 

Laskersnephew

 

T_h_e_J_o_k_e_r_0_1

I play the Caro-kann quite a lot, after E4,C6,NC3,D5,NF3,DXE4,NXE4 i play Nf6, i think that is the main line and the move Stockfish recommends.

Optimissed

Maybe because it isn't an attack. At best it's an attempt to bamboozle black maybe by getting *him* to attack.

Optimissed
orangehonda wrote:

Hey, I like this, gonna give it a few tries.  I guess top GMs think it doesn't fight enough?  hmm, I dunno.

Just the opposite. Too chaotic for them.

pfren
T_h_e_J_o_k_e_r_0_1 έγραψε:

I play the Caro-kann quite a lot, after E4,C6,NC3,D5,NF3,DXE4,NXE4 i play Nf6, i think that is the main line and the move Stockfish recommends.

 

This is indeed one of Black's best attempts- usually strong players refrain from taking at f6, and play 5.Qe2.

 

dpnorman
pfren wrote:
T_h_e_J_o_k_e_r_0_1 έγραψε:

I play the Caro-kann quite a lot, after E4,C6,NC3,D5,NF3,DXE4,NXE4 i play Nf6, i think that is the main line and the move Stockfish recommends.

 

This is indeed one of Black's best attempts- usually strong players refrain from taking at f6, and play 5.Qe2.

 

In this line as black I'm not especially fond of 6...Qd5 and I've been trying to make 5...Nxe4 6. Qxe4 Qa5!? work which Riazantsev and Grandelius have played. I imagine black's a little worse but I'd love to know your thoughts on it. 

drmrboss

This is the line that I play because it is recommended by my mentor Stockfish.

It looks very good dominance/chance  for white but black is very solid. 

 

Although chess is very drawish, every variation has its own precautions,. It is improtant to play hundereds of blitz games to thoroughly familiar with all possible problems.

 

SmyslovFan
pfren wrote:
T_h_e_J_o_k_e_r_0_1 έγραψε:

I play the Caro-kann quite a lot, after E4,C6,NC3,D5,NF3,DXE4,NXE4 i play Nf6, i think that is the main line and the move Stockfish recommends.

 

This is indeed one of Black's best attempts- usually strong players refrain from taking at f6, and play 5.Qe2.

 

I agree, but Shirov recently won a nice game by playing 5.Nxf6 and MVL has also taken on f6. Karjakin takes on f6 quite often, but he doesn't get great results from it.

The computers consider the positions that arise to be close to 0.00, but there's still plenty of play left. I have a feeling that 5.Nf6 isn't bad so much as it isn't fashionable. The computers consider the positions that arise to be close to 0.00, but there's still plenty of play left.

In a world where everything equalizes, it's just a matter of whether the types of positions that arise suits the player.