Classical vs Leningrad Dutch

TacticsNinja

Hello everyone.  I am a fairly aggressive otb player with a rating hovering around 1800.  I was wondering if I want to play aggressive is the classical or the leningrad dutch a better choice?

Thanks

Golbat

If you play against me OTB, you won't get a chance to play the Classical Dutch. I play 1. d4 f5 2. Bg5.

TacticsNinja

Well ok but I'm more talking about someone that plays into "mainline" not some offbeat sideline

BigTy

I am new to the dutch defense aswell, and I am planning to focus on the leningrad. I believe the leningrad is the most aggressive but also the most theoretical by far. The stonewall might be a good choice too, it is aggressive and not as theoretical.

sableWhist

Playing the Leningrad is alot like playing a wierd KID and is probaly less agressive but also less liable to horribly fail than classical dutch. Realy the only thing Leningrad dutch and Classical dutch have in common is 1.f5

Golbat
TacticsNinja wrote:

Well ok but I'm more talking about someone that plays into "mainline" not some offbeat sideline


Very well, but you should be aware that people won't always play the "mainline", especially against offbeat openings like the Dutch.

TacticsNinja
BlackWaive wrote:
TacticsNinja wrote:

Well ok but I'm more talking about someone that plays into "mainline" not some offbeat sideline


Very well, but you should be aware that people won't always play the "mainline", especially against offbeat openings like the Dutch.

You've never played at my club :p


Spiffe
rob9258 wrote:

The Leningrad entails more positional concessions -- a sound positional player can make life very difficult for Black in the Leningrad Dutch.


7...Nc6 is considered a weaker line nowadays.  The mainline Leningrad is 7...Qe8; 7...c6 is also playable.

I was a longtime Dutch skeptic, because when I was a d4 player, I was on the White side of numerous crushing victories against the Stonewall & Classical.  I've been playing the Leningrad myself a lot lately, though, and I've been pleased with the results.

I did like the finish in your game.  Allow me to offer a contrasting view from the black side, though:

blasterdragon

leningrad is considered the most agresive dutch so if you want agressive its a good choice

Salimi98

I like all dutch defenses and I have played classical and stonewall a lot.

If you know pawn storm well,try leningard.It's kind of accelerated King's indian when black has already played f5.

classical is also good and gives lot of attacking chances and specially If white does not fianchetto he will be in trouble:)

to see classical dutch games,look at Simon William's games and to see leningard dutch,look at Alekhin's gamesTongue Out

CornerPawn

If you want to really learn how to play the Dutch Defense -- ie. all of the structures -- join the group Dynamic Dutch Defense.

Search for us under Share -- Groups and Teams -- in the Tabs above.

We play the White and the Black side of these structures. 

NorahAdrenaline

having played all the dutch defences, i would say the leningrad is the best since it doesnt have many weakenesses unlike the stonewall and classical

WackChiRain

you need to have some knowledge of all lines of the Dutch as there are many situations with overlap especially if you go for leningrad variation.. one might want to transpose to a favorable stonewall or classical structure.. also these offbeat sidelines (which you will see a lot) require knowledge of many Dutch structures... I have hundreds of games playing the Dutch and probably 2% of my games actually follow the absolute mainline Leningrad system... therefore learning structures and plans for me is more important especially at this 1800 level

Subtleties
TacticsNinja a écrit :

Hello everyone.  I am a fairly aggressive otb player with a rating hovering around 1800.  I was wondering if I want to play aggressive is the classical or the leningrad dutch a better choice?

Thanks

Get better at chess before studying openings.

Morphys-Revenge

The Leningrad Dutch is a great choice for aggressive players. It is like an accelerated KID. It is nice too in that you can play it against 1. d4, 1. c4, and 1. Nf3. 

TimothyScottPuente

@rob9258 wrote:

7...Nc6 is considered a weaker line nowadays.  The mainline Leningrad is 7...Qe8; 7...c6 is also playable.

I was a longtime Dutch skeptic, because when I was a d4 player, I was on the White side of numerous crushing victories against the Stonewall & Classical.  I've been playing the Leningrad myself a lot lately, though, and I've been pleased with the results.

I did like the finish in your game.  Allow me to offer a contrasting view from the black side, though:

 

albatros1 (2317) vs. Spiffe (2179)
 
The Siege of Leningrad Chess.com Round 1 22 Feb 2009
 
0-1
 
Do you know of any good literature on the Leningrad
 
variation to the Dutch defense. I only seem to want to play
 
the Stonewall.
 
Ciao,
 
Timothy Scott Puente
Savage47

The leningrad is a good choice for lower levels because it is a system type opening meaning you can play the same moves regardless of what the opponent plays (for the most part- there are exceptions). I haven't played the classical. 

I would start out with the leningrad and once you know it give the classical a shot. 

On the other hand though, the stonewall is a very simple system type opening that can be played with with white too. If you want to cut down on theory one opening gives you almost a complete rep. All you need is an answer to 1.e4. Personally I would play 1. f4, e5  2. e4 transposing to the king's gambit with white. Just make sure you understand pawn breaks if you play the stonewall otherwise the game can get boring sometimes.