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IamChessNooob

I am a new player I have been studying and practicing for a month now.

 

To begin explaining my confusion I always get confused in the begining of the game as white.  I tell my self that I am going to start out with the kings gambit but then start doing scillian. What do you do? DO you just follow opening pricibles? If I do follow the principles I almost fee lost because we dont go through any type of varation? What am I suppose to do. I am just very confused wit the opening part. Any genuine help would be great!

whirlwind2011

@OP: If you're trying to steer the game down the King's Gambit path, then a diversion to the Sicilian Defense makes sense, because Black is in charge of this. If you want more practice with the King's Gambit, you might consider joining a thematic tournament. This is a tournament where the first few moves are already played on the board (e.g., 1. e4 e5, 2. f4), and you and your opponent play from there. Every game in the tournament will start from this position.

If you have any questions, like more on thematic tournaments, help with openings, or anything else, let us know!

IamChessNooob
whirlwind2011 wrote:

@OP: If you're trying to steer the game down the King's Gambit path, then a diversion to the Sicilian Defense makes sense, because Black is in charge of this. If you want more practice with the King's Gambit, you might consider joining a thematic tournament. This is a tournament where the first few moves are already played on the board (e.g., 1. e4 e5, 2. f4), and you and your opponent play from there. Every game in the tournament will start from this position.

If you have any questions, like more on thematic tournaments, help with openings, or anything else, let us know!


Although the thematic games sounds like a good idea I want to learn how to continue playing if they dont reply with e5.Should I  just continue with another e4 opening (scotch/ruy). I am really trying to get better but I feel like this is holding me back! i feel like I dont get the concept of the opening game. 

 

 

I dont know how to multiple quote but @melvinblueston I will be sure to check out those threads. The reason I go with the KG is because I like the play of the game it doesnt seem 'dry' . Maybe I should start with d4 and go with QG.

kwaloffer
IamChessNooob wrote:
Although the thematic games sounds like a good idea I want to learn how to continue playing if they dont reply with e5.Should I  just continue with another e4 opening (scotch/ruy). I am really trying to get better but I feel like this is holding me back! i feel like I dont get the concept of the opening game.

I get the feeling you know more than is good for you at the moment.

"Scotch Game" is nothing more than the name for the position that occurs after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4. "Ruy Lopez" is the name for the position that occurs after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5. Therefore, it doesn't make much sense to "just continue with the Scotch if my opponent plays something other than 1...e5".

In fact, after 1.e4 c5 you just have a different chess position than after 1.e4 e5, and therefore there is no reason that the same moves that are a good idea after 1...e5 are also a good idea after 1...c5 -- forget what you know about 1...e5, because that's not what just happened.

I could give you a few examples of what to do after different replies to 1.e4, but I'm not sure that's a good idea -- you shouldn't be memorizing opening moves yet, you should just treat these positions as any other chess position: think, and find the best moves you can. After the game try to figure out what you could have done better.

IamChessNooob

With all that said I must agree that maybe I have been studying to much about the opening. I just feel lost in the beginning of the game. I know opening principles but dont know my purpose in the opening. Can anyone enlighten me? I know I need to develope and king safety and dont move the same piece twice. Hopefully some one can help. Believe I read about chess alot now but some how I still feel lost... I am going to post what I think was my most solid game yet in the analyzing section so maybe some one can check out. ill put the link to it in this section.

 

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/help-me-improve2

BA1955

Have you studied the chess.com videos about openings?  I found them to be very helpful.

Arctor
IamChessNooob wrote:

With all that said I must agree that maybe I have been studying to much about the opening. I just feel lost in the beginning of the game. I know opening principles but dont know my purpose in the opening. Can anyone enlighten me? I know I need to develope and king safety and dont move the same piece twice. Hopefully some one can help. Believe I read about chess alot now but some how I still feel lost... I am going to post what I think was my most solid game yet in the analyzing section so maybe some one can check out. ill put the link to it in this section.

 

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/help-me-improve2


 I feel I have to warn you about following opeining principles too strictly. Would you move the same piece twice in the opening if it was to deliver checkmate, or to win a piece or gain some othe type of advantage? Likewise, there are times when it can pay to sacrifice a lead in development or leave your king a little loose (within reason) to gain some type of advantage.

Your problem seems to be that you don't realize that the opening is determined by both players. You may start the game with 1.e4 intending to play the King's Gambit after 1...e5 but if Black plays 1...c5 (Sicilian Defence) or some other move, you're in a different opening and can't go blindly ahead making the automatic King's Gambit moves as there as many different factors of the position to be considered that may not be present in the KG. Fortunately for you, f4 is a perfectlly valid reply (although it may be best to play Nc3 (preventing d5) before f4) to the Sicilian called the Grand Prix which, while still aggressive, doesn't offer the same type of quick and free development as in the KG, and Blacks weaknesses are far less significant.

The goal of the opening phase is to reach a playable middlegame position (preferably with an advantage of some kind) where one player can outplay the other. An advantage is gained by creating threats (tactical OR positional) and putting problems to your opponent to solve, until eventually he breaks under pressure and makes a mistake.

Remember when you first started playing and your goal was to capture all the enemy pieces? It might help to get back to something approaching that way of thinking and not worry too much about playing such and such an opening Wink

Edit: It's also important to realize that no-one becomes a good chessplayer in a month (or even a year)...it takes time

whirlwind2011

A lot of people advocate studying the endgame instead of openings. That might seem, on the surface, to be a backward way to go about studying--to study the end of the game first. But because endgames have far fewer pieces, one has an easier time grasping the true capabilities of the pieces that are there. Using the Rook by itself enables one to learn about the Rook most effectively. Using the King by itself helps one understand the King. The same goes for the Pawns, etc.

Try using the Computer Workout feature (found under the Learn pull-down menu in the menu bar toward the top of your screen). You can select from some very simple, winnable endgames ideal for beginners, then gradually work your way up through the tougher exercises as your proficiency increases.

TheGrobe

I fully advocate that approach.  It really drives home a lot of the subtleties that differentiate drawn vs. won games, and gives you more insight in the middlegame into when it's advantageous to trade down to a won endgame.  Opening principles are key, but starting with book openings will only serve to overwhelm and confuse in my opinion.