Continuation for 1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 d6

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zedskyx

I've been playing a considerable amount of bullet games recently and I would say that approximately 20% of the openings I have encountered as white is as follows: 

1. d4 e5 2. dxe5 (looking at an Englund) d6 ...

I would usually take since I'm a greedy pig (and perhaps my opening theory is that of a 1200) but it usually leaves me behind in development, and black castles O-O-O leaving my queen on an uncomfortable square.

Suggestions?

plutonia

I play Bf4, and then I take on d6 exchanging stuff as necessary in order to saddle them with an isolated pawn.

adumbrate

d4 Nf6 c4 e5 is a better variation for black

plutonia
skotheim2 wrote:

d4 Nf6 c4 e5 is a better variation for black

 

Yes, if you like boring positions. At least the Englund is fun.

AutisticCath

I played this line in a correspondence tournament against a 1700+. He just took and made me prove that my advancement in development would be sufficient compensation for the sacrificed pawn. This was when he was reporting the end-result to the tournament director via e-mail. He also knew his opening theory quite well and knew taking on d6 was not necessarily the soundest. I would personally go with just taking and making them prove their development is better and sufficient compensation for the pawn. I hate it when people pin my queen horse because when I castle queen-side that generally leads to doubled pawns and an unsafe king.

plutonia
newengland7 wrote:

I played this line in a correspondence tournament against a 1700+. He just took and made me prove that my advancement in development would be sufficient compensation for the sacrificed pawn. This was when he was reporting the end-result to the tournament director via e-mail. He also knew his opening theory quite well and knew taking on d6 was not necessarily the soundest. I would personally go with just taking and making them prove their development is better and sufficient compensation for the pawn. I hate it when people pin my queen horse because when I castle queen-side that generally leads to doubled pawns and an unsafe king.

 

I'm sorry but to me that just looks like being a pawn down for nothing. Especially if white play Bg5. What do you have to compensate for the pawn?

adumbrate
plutonia wrote:
skotheim2 wrote:

d4 Nf6 c4 e5 is a better variation for black

 

Yes, if you like boring positions. At least the Englund is fun.

How is it boring?

Synaphai
plutonia
skotheim2 wrote:
plutonia wrote:
skotheim2 wrote:

d4 Nf6 c4 e5 is a better variation for black

 

Yes, if you like boring positions. At least the Englund is fun.

How is it boring?

 

 


I'm finishing development and playing for c5.

What is black doing?

adumbrate

You don't have to play Bb4, and in the final position I think it is pretty drawish, so black should be fine.. Black is down the bishop pair, but has finished his developement aswell..

AutisticCath

plutonia,

This is exactly what my opponent decided to test me with--is my Bxd6 advancement in development, open diagonals for my bishops, etc., enough compensation for the pawn?

lolurspammed

The bishop pair is a pretty nice advantage in the budapest. Blacks position is passive and unpleasant but also more solid than in the Englund

AutisticCath

The WCM is asking about playing against the Englund with the white pieces, not playing  against a Queen's pawn game with the black pieces and whether she should use the Englund or not.

nickmatta

You could always open 1. Nf3 and then play 2. d4. This might interfere with some of your repertoire but it is bullet after all and it can usually give you two pretty quick premoves. 

BronsteinPawn
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greenibex

i don't like sacrificing a pawn

unless i am getting something for it

i am very materialiistic

penandpaper0089

Looks like a free pawn. 

ThrillerFan

Just take the d6-pawn.  So what?  He develops his Bishop.  Your King is not weak like it is in the From's Gambit (1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6).

 

Take From's Gambit, and move White's d2 pawn to f2, and White's position has improved my light years!

BronsteinPawn

The OP should find the declination and squeeze.

Chess is not about the pawns.

greenibex

free pawn