kleelof wrote:
Jion_Wansu wrote:
I hate when black plays the French against me...
I hate the French so much, I won't even eat french fries.
How about French kisses?
Do certain openings make you feel slightly insulted and angry?
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Jan 31, 2015
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#23
I don't think I've ever felt anger, just irritation. I'd be wary of calling the caro-kann drawish...it can get quite hairy if both players want a fight. The alekhine, nimzovitsch, and scandinavian defenses are also sound so you can't down them too much. Granted I wouldn't concider them "best", but they're certainly respectable and much stronger players than you and me have tried and used them. I definitely wouldn't get so offended that a player moved the same piece twice in the opening. While against basic principles, it can have advantages in some positions. The closest thing to offensive to me is when someone plays Bc4 followed by Qf3 against me when I play the sicilian.
I feel like you're underestimating some of these openings.
The idea behind the Alekhine's is to goad White into overextending his pawn structure so that it can be proven a weakness later on. If White doesn't take the bait, Black equalizes rather easily and gets a good game. It is a Hypermodern opening that I love to play.
The Scandinavian is more difficult to defend for me because, honestly, I've never studied it. The consensus, I believe, is that it is an inferior opening for Black, since White gets to harrass his Queen around early in the game. Still, it leads to an immediate imbalance in the Pawn structures of both sides, with White having a Queenside majority and a half-open E-file and Black having a Kingside majority with a half-open D-file, which could lead to interesting play for both sides.
Not everyone plays the Caro-Kann for a draw. It does lead to a solid and difficult-to-attack position for Black, though that doesn't mean he doesn't have his chances for victory.
People often play Openings like the Owen's defence to avoid opening theory and get out of the book as quickly as possible. It's a decent idea, but they must put constant pressure on the White center, or they'll risk getting buried alive!
I won't be as presumptous as to tell you what to do, but consider not saying things like "Well so much for the Alekhine, guess you should learn not to move your pieces twice in the opening". First of all, you are doing Chess, and youself, a great disservice by underestimating these Openings, and, second of all, it makes you look like a bad winner!
you never always get the battlefield you desire should that mean you dont fight of course not
chess is rich in variation and the best we can hope for on entering the battlefield is that we are as well prepared as possible for any surprises the enemy may spring
ps here is an owens defence the only time i used it it ok you know to expand your knowledge by trying new things too
Jan 31, 2015
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#28
Dolphin27 wrote:
I don't have to deal with the Berlin or Petroff because I play the 19th century version of the Ruy Lopez, which is the Danish Gambit.
I actually like all the openings, they're all good in thier own way, I just have this very slight reactionary angry feeling when certain ones are played.
I also get angry when people try to attack me, don't you? I played one game yesterday against someone higher rated on another site. I was black and played the Sicilian Taimanov. I won a pawn but had to endure an attack all throughout the middlegame and basically spend the whole game defending. This whole time my opponent is trying to attack me I'm just getting more and more pissed off. My opponent sac'd his light square bishop to open up my kingside and he had an open g-file right on my king, but I defended everything and at the end I still had a knight but he managed to get all the pawns off the board. Here at the end of the game all my built up anger from being attacked came out and I was like "Congratulations you drew as White you patzer, you must be really proud!"
Thinking back I shouldn't have said that, I can view things objectively now, but just being attacked in a chess game pisses me off at that moment. Somehow I don't just feel like they're attacking my king, I feel like it's a direct attack on me.
You feel angry when other people play openings that tend to be drawish, yet you chose your king's pawn opening to be one of the most equal and drawish in existence?
Jan 31, 2015
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#29
The caro kann is drawish? Then don't play the boring main line, play the advanced. Also I've has more insane tactical caro games than Sicilians.
Jan 31, 2015
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#30
someone played the rat defense against me a few days ago.I was foaming at the mouth. "how dare he play this crap against me?I'm gonna blow him off the board".
Somehow I managed to lose.some defenses are really better than they look.
Jan 31, 2015
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#31
The pirc/rat is not unsound at all. There is no reason for people to foam when seeing it
If you want a draw play the Petroff or something. In the Caro, the Advance Variation is anything but drawish.
1...Nc6 makes me want to crush my opponent, see him driven before me, hear the la... Never mind.
Yes, i feel insulted when i see an attempt to checkmate me with 2. Qh5, 3 Bc4 and similar chip moves. I feel obligated to punish such things severely.
Jan 31, 2015
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#35
I get this feeling quite often....yesterday, I played against someone who played 1.e4 c5 2.Qh5 - I kicked the queen around like a cue ball, got a better position, and won easily with the comment "trying to checkmate on the first move is probably not the best plan." He wants a rematch, plays the Marshall defense (crappy opening), tries to checkmate with the queen immediately loses, and asks for another rematch.....third time's the charm - 1.e4 c5 2.Qh5!?!? What is this idiot smoking!?
I also got 1.d4 h5?! - what!?....or people who just send all of their pawns headfirst into the Dutch Stonewall because taking pawns is tech? The kingside pushers who go h3, g4, f4 against everything - they wreak havoc on your development ideas while still managing to create a terrible position for themselves......
yes, I feel your pain....oh, and FK anyone who plays the grob!
Dolphin27 wrote:
I hate it too, like all these animal named openings, "the rat" "the hippo", "the skunk" whatever they're calling these things, where they're playing a bunch of pawns to the 6th rank. It's like what are you doing?!
I mean ok, I don't really "hate it", I do respect the openings but sometimes it feels like the person is taunting you. It's like they're saying "come at me bro", well I'm not going to be provoked I'm just going to gain space and improve my position and try to make it where they're cramped and have nothing to do.
Problem solved.
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I personally think the french is 90% rubbish, The caro is way better in my book.
Also this is kinda funny because if I remember correctly you are a guy that simply adores garbage. The budapest gambit the danish gambit fall under this category neatly.
I could understand if you are someone like me who largely plays the best openings that you would feel emotion from others playing stupid stuff. But I find this post ironic
There is definitely something rather offensive about the Wayward Queen (otherwise known as the Parham Attack) in response to 1. e4. It seems to be my opponent's way of saying: "I think you're stupid".
I have always found the grob particularly distasteful. certain lines in the dutch, Alehkine's defense and the Queen's Gambit Accepted rub me the wrong way as well. Evan's gambit is a bit ridiculous to me as well. Basically any opening that says "I just want to get out of book and outplay you" bugs me.
Anytime someone decides to go for the immediate checkmate without developing his pieces. Usually a queen / bishop attack right off the bat. Then you forget and play g6 in response to his Qh5 and then he takes the pawn and checks you and it's all downhill. How many videos have I watched? hundreds. But I still fall for this quite a bit. I drink so.......
The game is big enough to accomodate players of many different styles and philosophies. When an opponent chooses a particular method, it isn't about you; it's how they choose to play. And why should your opponents play the way you want? You should be happy they choose some line that you think is inferior.