1.Nc3 is a bit passive.
Does anyone here like the Van Geet/Dunst opening?
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still think it should be called the dunce opening.The only strategy is to loose when you do the dunce
Game Explorer calls it the Van Geet opening.
jrzmath99 wrote:
1.Nc3 is a bit passive.
Maybe it's my chess boxing mentality...I like a good feint, especially if if it throws them off and I can't blast them good. I win with a decent amount of the time.
alexlaw wrote:
i do remember nc3 does have a good few traps for black to land into.
I started a tourney for this opening, would you like to join us ? It would be an honor, to have a player as skilled as you, join us.
i think morozevich has had his hand in the dunst opening, though i may be mistaken he plays a lot of weird stuff
nameno1had wrote:
pfren wrote:
Not bad, and also not terribly challenging. Quite playable, but white should not expect any sort of advantage from it.
I realize the limits of this opening, but I like the fact it forces people with more experience with openings than me, out of their normal game plan.
it seems like a bit of an extreme way of doing this. Theres plenty of sounds ways, kings indian attack and 1.d4 2.bg5 are some that come to mind
Positive:
- 1. Nc3 is the statitically best way to get into the 4-knights-game if you like to play Belgrad-Gambit, Halloween-Gambit or Scotch 4-knights or something like this.
- 1. Nc3 c5 2. Nf3 can either get black out of his usual Sicilian pet line or against Pelikan- and Paulsen players there are some traps with delayed e4 and quick attacks on c7. (Even strong players occasionally miss these)
- 1. Nc3 c5 2. f4(!?) is at least better than the standard Bird opening.
- 1. Nc3 can make your opponent take a think if doesn't know whether you are a King's-Pawn player, a Queen's Pawn player or an allrounder.
- 1. Nc3 might lure some players into dangerous opening experiments.
Negative:
- 1. Nc3 d5 2. e4(?!) dxe4 is like black's best-case open Caro-Kann. White has nothing!
- 1. Nc3 d5 2. e4(?!) Nf6 3. e5 d4 will lead to something "strange" after exf6 and also Nce2.
- 1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 is playable, but rather tame if your opponent doesn't play e6 early on. (e6 allows a transposition into sharp French lines with Bg5 and e4)
- Even the lines that are white's intention are not advantegeous for white. (The Sicilian traps are a rare exception)
Can't be sure but normally in 1) e4 openings Black tries to play d5 to eliminate the central pawn and equalise. I would have thought playing 2) e4 is close to handing black equality. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
As said before, 1.Nc3 d5 2.e4 de4 3.Nxe4 (please do not mention stupid gambits...) Bf5 or 3...Nd7 is a Caro Kann where white will play all his normal moves, while Black will have the luxury to either play ...c5 in one go, or omit ...c6 alltogether.
AnthonyCG wrote:
And the funny 3...Qd5.
Do you prefer a regular Scandinavian (same tempos, just one move more played by both) to a Caro-Kann effectively almost a move up for Black? I do not.
Aug 13, 2012
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jrzmath99 wrote:
Game Explorer calls it the Van Geet opening.
Dunst deserves to have the opening named after him IMHO - BUT this is one of many examples of the total superiority to the ECO Opening Classification to the now-antiquated (but still useful, most of the time) system of "Double KP" "Single QP" etc followed by names of major openings followed by names of variations followed by names of systems etc etc.
1.Nc3 = A00 in ECO: end of story. Dunst or Van Geet Opening? Wilkes-Barre or Traxler Variation? Nimzovitch Var or Advance Var in FD & CKD? These are just the beginning of the never-ending "name" debates prior to ECO.
alexlaw wrote:
It would be an honor, to have a player as skilled as you, join us.
Somewhere, pfren is laughing at this comment. Others may be too!
Yeah but you have no idea how thick I may have laid on trying to get him to join in the fray...
You are a better player than me. Would it have been more fitting to compare you to all time greats?
Fear_ItseIf wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
pfren wrote:
Not bad, and also not terribly challenging. Quite playable, but white should not expect any sort of advantage from it.
I realize the limits of this opening, but I like the fact it forces people with more experience with openings than me, out of their normal game plan.
it seems like a bit of an extreme way of doing this. Theres plenty of sounds ways, kings indian attack and 1.d4 2.bg5 are some that come to mind
I don't like to trade punches, I like to hit and not get hit.
Aug 14, 2012
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#37
i would play in your tourney but i am not premium.
You have put 100 members so I might manage to get eliminated...
Put a link in the forum cuz I cannot find it...
Aug 14, 2012
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#38
NimzoRoy wrote:
jrzmath99 wrote:
Game Explorer calls it the Van Geet opening.
Dunst deserves to have the opening named after him IMHO - BUT this is one of many examples of the total superiority to the ECO Opening Classification to the now-antiquated (but still useful, most of the time) system of "Double KP" "Single QP" etc followed by names of major openings followed by names of variations followed by names of systems etc etc.
1.Nc3 = A00 in ECO: end of story. Dunst or Van Geet Opening? Wilkes-Barre or Traxler Variation? Nimzovitch Var or Advance Var in FD & CKD? These are just the beginning of the never-ending "name" debates prior to ECO.
A00= 1.a3,a4,b4,c3,d3,e3,f3,g3,g4,h3,h3,Na3,Nc3,Nh3 and many others...
Aug 14, 2012
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#40
A00= 1.a3,a4,b4,c3,d3,e3,f3,g3,g4,h3,h3,Na3,Nc3,Nh3 and many others Roeczak
Point well taken - many obscure/unpopular openings are lumped together under A00, B00, C00 etc. So their names are helpful, ASSuming everyone agrees on the name - or is at least familiar with the names they don't agree on! AND I gotta admit I don't know all 500 ECO codes off the top of my head so I gotta look 'em up frequently
I created a tourney for this opening...
I would enjoy playing any of you...
Thanks for your input.