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Waitaka
Waitaka
Jan 20, 2009
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#21

Ok, it has a name: Rosentreter Gambit

And here goes the analysis:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1059304681

footballfansback
footballfansback
Jan 20, 2009
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#22

i would consider this position excellent for white. he has complete control over the centre, a developed piece, at least one pawn for the knight, and black has only two missing pawns.

the entire purpose of the kings gambit is sacrifice. while white may not have attacking chances at the moment, in two moves he can generate a powerful attack on f7, i.e. Bc4 then 0-0, and if black has played into it, maybe even Bxc7, winning the queen or the king.

i say this position is an all but totally sound sacrifice for what. besides, without dubious moves like this, chess would be a boring old man's game

MM78
MM78
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Jan 20, 2009
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#23
Gonnosuke wrote:
dunst_the_dude wrote:

the dumbass variation??? ... unless you have won with it i dont know... just doesn't seem like enough attacking power is gained by the sacrifice.

Many people have made similar comments about the Muzio or Halloween gambits, both of which involve Knight sacrifices.  It's easy to click through a diagram and 30 seconds later declare it worthless or unsound, it's quite another to prove it in a game against an experienced gambiteer.

Gonnosuke, the Baptist.

 well said Sir, I have won twice against the Halloween on this site, I am 100% sure I would have lost in an OTB game.

RyanMK
RyanMK
Jan 20, 2009
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#24

I've been absolutely destroyed by the Muzio. Granted, I'm not that good a player, but if you have any doubts, try playing someone who studies it.

Fromper
Fromper
Jan 21, 2009
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#25

As long as we're changing the subject to talk about other lines in which white gambits a whole knight, how about the Pierce Gambit? It's like the Muzio, but it comes from the Vienna Gambit - 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 exf4 4. Nf3 g5 5. Bc4 g4 6. d4 gxf3 7. O-O and only then does white start grabbing pawns on the f file.

See these articles:

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz96.pdf

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz97.pdf

RosarioVampire
RosarioVampire
Jan 25, 2009
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#26

maybe you haven't played a really experienced halloween player..
i've played the halloween gambit in nearly every game. currently, 60 wins 0 loss 0 draws with it. anyone wanna try and prove its unsoundness? :P

AnyOne
AnyOne
Jan 25, 2009
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#27

here is the game folks:

Fromper
Fromper
Jan 26, 2009
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#28
RosarioVampire wrote:

maybe you haven't played a really experienced halloween player..
i've played the halloween gambit in nearly every game. currently, 60 wins 0 loss 0 draws with it. anyone wanna try and prove its unsoundness? :P

No, but I'd love to see those games. Apparently, there used to be a huge database of games on the internet in pgn format for the Halloween Gambit, but the link to it is broken now. It included a lot of games by a computer program that used to play the gambit at every opportunity against opponents on ICC, and it apparently beat up on quite a few masters in blitz games. I would think that going through the games in that database would be the best way to learn how to play the gambit.

Ray_Brooks
Ray_Brooks
Jan 26, 2009
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#29
Fromper wrote:
RosarioVampire wrote:

maybe you haven't played a really experienced halloween player..
i've played the halloween gambit in nearly every game. currently, 60 wins 0 loss 0 draws with it. anyone wanna try and prove its unsoundness? :P

No, but I'd love to see those games. Apparently, there used to be a huge database of games on the internet in pgn format for the Halloween Gambit, but the link to it is broken now. It included a lot of games by a computer program that used to play the gambit at every opportunity against opponents on ICC, and it apparently beat up on quite a few masters in blitz games. I would think that going through the games in that database would be the best way to learn how to play the gambit.

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