I think the Najdorf is currently in better theoretical shape than the dragon is. Of course, at amateur level, they both offer great winning chances for black and often lead to a very sharp and exciting game.
Dragon of Najdorf?
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I do think that it is hard for black to get a winning game against the Yugoslav, but it does lead to a sharp game with chances for both sides. Only because of the Yugoslav, I would play the Najdorf.
I feel like I read a move order that helps the Dragon fight the Yugoslav. I think it was 2...Nc6 instead of 2...d6. This delay of d6 allows black to immediately play d5 later, and that stops the Yugoslav...somehow...I think...
Gargravarr wrote:
I feel like I read a move order that helps the Dragon fight the Yugoslav. I think it was 2...Nc6 instead of 2...d6. This delay of d6 allows black to immediately play d5 later, and that stops the Yugoslav...somehow...I think...
Yeah, there are beneficial ways to get around the Yugoslav, however they are more of Dragon-hybrids than true Dragons.
Dragondorf? Cool, where can I find Info about that?
I used to play sicilian dragon. But, now I have started experimenting with the Najdorf and personally, I like it better
May 10, 2009
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Heisenberg wrote:
Well, I really prefer Dragon variation instead of Najdorf, but I was wondering which one is better. I mean, usually Dragon gets a "Weight" valuation of 100 in the "line" and Najdorf only 25 ... I think Dragon is sharper than Najdorf, and that black has more winning chances with 5. g6 than 5. a6
What is a "Weight" valuation?
May 10, 2009
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Dragondorf? Oh no, I think richie_and_oprah has created a new Frankenstein.
According to my database the classical sicilian 5....Nc6 scores better than both the najdorf and the dragon. I play classical more often than any other sicilian as black with sveshnikov in second ......
May 10, 2009
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Reb wrote:
According to my database the classical sicilian 5....Nc6 scores better than both the najdorf and the dragon. I play classical more often than any other sicilian as black with sveshnikov in second ......
I'm tired of the Dragon...everyone knows the main lines by heart.
Oooh, what about the Taimanov? It looks like it scores really well for Black too, yes?
richie_and_oprah wrote:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 a6 7. Bc4
Main line Dragondorf.
Under ECO code this position is classified as a dragon, which is logical. In the najdorf the black e pawn doesnt remain at e7 and the black kings bishop isnt fianchettoed.
richie_and_oprah wrote:
Reb wrote:
richie_and_oprah wrote:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 a6 7. Bc4
Main line Dragondorf.
Under ECO code this position is classified as a dragon, which is logical. In the najdorf the black e pawn doesnt remain at e7 and the black kings bishop isnt fianchettoed.
Critical line:
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 Nbd7 7.f4 g6 8.Qe2!
Check New In Chess yb Dragadorf survey by Simon Willims and also work done by noted author Chris Ward.
Ok, I was wrong. However, your first line given is B-72 ( Dragon) and the second line is B-94 Najdorf. I would have been correct if I had said that "most" of the time (games) in the najdorf the black e pawn doesnt remain at e7 and the black kings bishop is not developed to g7.
ECO isnt perfect I guess, the second position you give can be reached from both openings and yet its classified as a najdorf because ..... a6 was played at move 5 by black and in the dragon 5....g6 is played. I have seen other similar transposition problems and sometimes have trouble finding what I am looking for in the ECOs because it IS confusing sometimes. I suspect I am not the only one with this problem at times.....
richie_and_oprah wrote:
I see that GM (Elect) Robert Hess just used Dragadorf to draw GM Kasky in US Championship.
Ya I saw that too, it was pretty impressive. Hess said that was the first time he has ever played the sicilian, quite brave of him to play an opening for the first time against Kamsky! Especially considering the dragondorf is relatively unexplored and very sharp.
May 16, 2009
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GM-elect Hess (18 years old?) just played the Dragdorf in the US Championship a few days ago. I think he drew against Gata Kamsky. But the press reported it as Hess' first-ever use of the Sicilian defense. Yikes, if that's true, the kid has courage. I myself am rooting for Nakamura, but I think Hess is tied for 1st with him (both have 6/8 with one round left), and I won't be too upset if he wins the whole thing as a new GM. [They won't be facing each other unless it's in some kind of tiebreak; Nakamura beat Hess a few rounds ago]
http://saintlouischessclub.org/US-Championship-2009
I play both g6 and a6, but not in the same game.
richie_and_oprah wrote:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 a6 7. Bc4
Main line Dragondorf.
no; the main line is 6...Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8. Qd2 Nc6 and besides, th najdorf is better
Well, I really prefer Dragon variation instead of Najdorf, but I was wondering which one is better. I mean, usually Dragon gets a "Weight" valuation of 100 in the "line" and Najdorf only 25 ... I think Dragon is sharper than Najdorf, and that black has more winning chances with 5. g6 than 5. a6