END your 1.d4/London/closed game/positional woes forever with 1.d4 e5!? 2.dxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6!
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that's a good line apparently, looking at it, and failing with Be7 instead of moving my queen, which I didn't like because I want it off the d file, but FORTUNATELY no-one has ever played this line against me YET. I have seen 4.Bf4 three times though
that's my point to all the haters. a line that no one actually plays is just a boogey man! I won't waste any time on what COULD, but never does happen, and even if it DID, victory is by no means guaranteed for white with just a 2 pawn advantage
OK... i've played 3...Bg4, so far. it has slightly better stats, and i've won 3 out of my 5 games with THAT. oh, I've won 2 out of 3 games with ...Nc6 too, I see.
it's nice having to tools to fight a "fair fight", even 2 points down.
here's how all three of my 3.Nc6 games went
just giving an opponent an advantage doesn't mean they'll capitalize on it and I'm an above average attacker. It makes ZERO SENSE to play openings that don't maximize attacking potential. once I get mobility and initiative, that's how I win MY games.
funny, the one game I DID lose in this line, my accuracy was 67% to my opponent's 57%. oh well
here's my stats winning where "i'm supposed to be losing"
funny how I'm destroying opponents at a DISADVANTAGE in a "dubious opening"
playing "the best moves" doesn't seem to be panning out for white any better than the JUICY main lines
*cough cough cough cough*
eventually there comes a point where both players just have to play chess. I'm so happy to actually be able to PLAY some chess as black FOR ONCE with tools like this machine gun where I was going into battle with a limp strand of pasta before. breathing room, initiative and mobility. that's ALL I want in chess. keep the pawns
don't care if I have a winning record with the scandinavian... I still hate it and am happier playing king's gambit despite slight losing stats.
hmm... looks like a reversed BDG kind of, but it's stats are a bit worse than the hartlaub charlick.
BTW... the 2...Nc6 main line is FUGLY to me, what with the hemmed in bishop virtually forcing a fianchetto, and those 53:42 Stats in 1m games? NOPE! INVITING white to play 5.Nd5 is sheer stoopidity to me too. that's probably why I never considered the englund until I saw the hatlaub charlick. THAT ONE makes perfect sense TO ME
4.Bf4 has strong stats too, but NO ONE has played that against me yet
I HAVE lost all 3 of my 2.c4 games, but I haven't studied the albin counter gambit yet. THAT's another selling point for the EHC... I always wanted to play the albin, but THOUGHT I needed a fianchetto based repertoire to go with it, but in the EHC, it's the second most common 2nd move and a nice little side line!
i didn't know to chase 4.Bf4 with 4...g5!? in the game I actually thought to push ...d4. oh well.
it's like the goering gambit "bonus" playing the double danish... 2 gambits for the price of 1
do you mean the 2...Nc6 englund mainline,
or do you mean 2.Nf3 as white, the reversed alekhine?
I just got sidelined good, but have completed my homework, if not studied it yet
I think the d6 line is ok, much better than the nc6 englund, because as your games show nobody at your rating range (and even when you go higher you see people still taking the second pawn; I was one of those as well) knows how to get an alright position in it (which is to force trades down into a pawn up endgame).
Also when using percentages, try to gather up a few more games; 8 games is a very low set of games to analyze ANYTHING off, except for the board vision.
But another question: why do you despise fianchetto's so much? If you like attacking there's A LOT of fianchetto openings that look fine to me; Modern Benoni, Benko (my fav), and there's probably some more.
i've tried them and have lost pretty much every game with them. I like my bishops central and mobile, not locked into one diagonal. they can't multitask. I just don't like them, but will have to learn to some if I'm going to double danish
as to the stats, 10 is a small sampling, but my point is I'm beating the odds even in the "weakest line". the games are just playing chess. I'm finding the mobility I need to counter attack. that's my point. I don;t play for pawn endings, and if I did, I'd lose them anyways. I play to get the job done in under 20.
I can't wait to test drive my double danish goering theory! the DD in particular reminds me a lot of this, but with maximum openess and simplicity. It looks much better than the Nxc3 main line which looks more like a complicated 4 knights.
speed and mobility are not to be underestimated and even 2000+ players make mistakes. it's just my job to play more accurately. I can do that when a position is based on attacking principles... my bread and butter, what I understand.
it was fun following danish games and often guessing the correct next attacking move. like the hartlaub charlick, I'm watching games thinking "oh, I get THIS!" and liking the super wide open queenside to wiggle around in
1983B-Boy wrote:
i've tried them and have lost pretty much every game with them. I like my bishops central and mobile, not locked into one diagonal. they can't multitask. I just don't like them, but will have to learn to some if I'm going to double danish
as to the stats, 10 is a small sampling, but my point is I'm beating the odds even in the "weakest line". the games are just playing chess. I'm finding the mobility I need to counter attack. that's my point. I don;t play for pawn endings, and if I did, I'd lose them anyways. I play to get the job done in under 20.
I can't wait to test drive my double danish goering theory! the DD in particular reminds me a lot of this, but with maximum openess and simplicity. It looks much better than the Nxc3 main line which looks more like a complicated 4 knights.
speed and mobility are not to be underestimated and even 2000+ players make mistakes. it's just my job to play more accurately. I can do that when a position is based on attacking principles... my bread and butter, what I understand.
it was fun following danish games and often guessing the correct next attacking move. like the hartlaub charlick, I'm watching games thinking "oh, I get THIS!" and liking the super wide open queenside to wiggle around in
Fair point.
well... I just found an IMPROVEMENT to the 2.d5 sideline push I have been overlooking! Bxf2+ OMG! that's my favorite tactic! I don't even IMAGINE it as black from all of that stonewall soul crushing over 20 years. I've given up on trying to attack as black?!
all three opponents would have allowed that too! now that I realize my bishop on c5 is a c5 bishop, Bxf7+ is now an option. THAT's why it gets developed there where it looks awkward and trappable, especially after ...d6 locks it out.
i'm really trying to permanently remember this... my ONLY tactical asset, so far in this line. you know how much club players LOVE knight pins!
Kyobir wrote:
scandi sucks!
not looking for an argument, are you? you won't get one, other than you forgot to call it toothless
Too bad for your point NO ONE does that
Yeah... never seen Bf4 yet
I have a lot to learn in the sidelines, but I TOTALLY earned this one playing a game with STRONG threats and pressure with the mobility to find solutions, and I'd like to think that i actually DID play SOME positional too with 91% accuracy. I think I had my eyes on the rook x ray as soon as the queen moved to the light squared diagonal and wanted to pull it off before my opponent moved their rook
after a REALLY miserable day yesterday, this was a battle only a klingon could love.
this is the ONLY line where I can STRING attacks together and shift targets with ease as black (in the main lines) and is even funner than king's gambit and ESPECIALLY alapin diemer francos
initiative solves problems too
Playing the London was probably not a bad idea 10 years ago.
Nowadays it's not the smartest choice, since it's not only not a very challenging opening, but also Black players are usually well prepared thanks to all the streamers who just know the London...
gik-tally wrote:
I have searched and searched and searched for EXACTLY this opening for over a decade's worth of despising the stonewall straightjacket. It's called the englund gambit > hartlaub/charlick gambit and it ROCKS!
here's my ONLY chess game today taking my highest rated pelt in it so far in just 9 moves!
the thematic concepts are MOSTLY pretty easy to understand and visualize for a tactician as "yeah... that's TOTALLY logical". I have previously DREAMED of almost exactly this opening. I remember asking for a gambit that gets rid of the central pawns for mobility and initiative and this is EXACTLY that!
if you're struggling against 1.d4 and the london, watch this video!!!
enter the moves into a trainer, learn them, and you're ready to start kicking butt RIGHT OUT THE GATE!
look at those stats vs DECADES experience in the stonewall! My stats are slowly IMPROVING too as I'm getting used to it. I've barely studied it. It's just soooo intuitive. Your results might not be as good as mine if you don't attack like I do, but ANY tactician should be able to find opportunities here. even when opponents confuse me, I'm finding just staying calm and developing and/or pressuring will eventually provide me with a juicy target or trap.
my tactical understanding has led to most of my games having around an 85% accuracy rating. in fact, the longer games go, the higher my accuracy does... even up to 80 moves where I got a 92! I'm guessing it's because stalefish REALLY hates the englund and rates 2...e5!? as a 2 pawn blunder, so it takes moves to dilute that sentiment. it rated that game as just 78% accurate, yet had NO improvements to offer beyond "don't play the englund!"
I'm almost conflicted about sharing it, because the more it catches on, the more white's going to figure out best lines like black has done in the smith morra gambit which used to be SOOOOO easy to play when I was a 1500, before quitting a while, and negate every trap and tactic with GM approved lines
I made one opponent who let me keep developing threats against his queen until I chased it off defending against the classic ...Nxc2+ rook fork, so he decided to try the same thing on my 0-0-0 side and ended up getting his queen trapped to boot. I missed Rg8 at first and pulled it to f8 to protect my king, but once he brought his bishop to join the party, ...Rg8 trapped queen on that file with all escape routes blocked or covered. 11 moves in, he logged out and made me wait for it.
there's some REAL psychological damage there!
I love it. If you want to play 1.e4 as black... this is basically how you do it.
as a FURTHER sign that this defense was MADE FOR ME, I quit play after this game because I was so satisfied that I THOUGHT I was 100% accurate (at least following the video's system) and wanted to mic drop and share here.
so... just for kicks, i decided to use CHESS as today's wordle clue despite wasting a square on a 2nd S and beat that IN TWO! that's a +100 chess game AND a wordle in just 11 moves total!
that's the universe trying to tell me something!
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
no, REALLY!
The reason why you're so conflicted about telling people about it is its only use is surprise value among relatively low-rated players. Nobody should have it as their main and only response to d4.
If you want a proper semi-professional response to d4 but something radical and to avoid all the buIIshit that goes with the queen's gambit and Nf6 where white always ends up better the Dutch is the way to go imo. GMGinger has beaten Super Grandmasters with it even.
Then throw in an Englund from time to time if you like. Just don't expect it to work against the same person more than once.
