END your 1.d4/London/closed game/positional woes forever with 1.d4 e5!? 2.dxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6!

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1983B-Boy написал:

right. the theory might not be as scary as I first thought as once I got down to the sidelines, a lot of it transposes back up to main lines.

Come on the english isnt that scary.
You should just develop and avoid creating weaknesses.

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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
1983B-Boy написал:

pawn pushing trench weasel? yeah, I hate that. so does everyone else that has losing stats I'm sure. looking into the new to me "Adhiban Gambit" which is supposed to be position based. if that's the case, I hope it's a simple "same moves every game" system like stonewalling is more or less

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 e4 4. Ng5 c6 5. Ngxe4 Nxe4 6. Nxe4 about equalizes over the board, but I'm not liking that white has the lead in development. the carokann system looks better

1. c4 c6 2. Nc3 d5 3. cxd5 cxd5

looks way more promising to me than slav-walling

Actually Nf3 is what is played

That's true.

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1983B-Boy wrote:

right. the theory might not be as scary as I first thought as once I got down to the sidelines, a lot of it transposes back up to main lines.

Using the English, I used to be able to transpose into a better middle game against just about anybody, at my best. I gave it up because I was a tournament player, for money and used to winning them. I started running out of energy in round five on a Sunday afternoon and decided to take up 1. d4 to make my games with white shorter. It worked. 65 move wins became 30 to 45 move wins.

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Im black in this game my opponent is an 1800 in lichess I don’t know how to flip the board or paste it In.

the d5 variation is very annoying but most opponents just blunder the 2 pawns if you put enough pressure resulting in a pretty open game

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vincentvanrijn wrote:

Im black in this game my opponent is an 1800 in lichess I don’t know how to flip the board or paste it In.

the d5 variation is very annoying but most opponents just blunder the 2 pawns if you put enough pressure resulting in a pretty open game

Clearly 1800 in lichess isn't good. d4-d5 is weak because this opening is winning for white and yet he lets black equalise with d5.]

After Nf6, white should probably play Bg5 and then if black goes Qa5+, Bd2 and maybe gambit the b pawn. But it isn't promising for white because black has been allowed to play e5. It's a small edge to black.

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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
1983B-Boy написал:

right. the theory might not be as scary as I first thought as once I got down to the sidelines, a lot of it transposes back up to main lines.

Come on the english isnt that scary.
You should just develop and avoid creating weaknesses.

if I wasn't positionally brain dead, that would be a plan, but theory is the only way FOR ME to really get through an opening. I might not be able to UNDERSTAND opening theory, but it can be memorized... unless it's a move order nightmare like the rousseau gambit I wish I already knew. I tried studying it and in 1 attempted game, it went bad quickly

4...dxc6 has much better stats

5 moves in, and I'm ALREADY losing, and it wasn't as anywhere near as intuitive as king's gambit is to me. I just want to quit the scandinavian SOOOOOO BAD! (and not play ANY defense that allows 2.e5, so it's gotta be 1.e4 e5. OH! It wasn't even a rousseu, but a jaenish/schliemann which I've NEVER studied.

it's REALLY annoying that I let white come in on the f diagonal! as an f pawn pusher, I should know better and realized Qh5+ was coming too late

all the "winning" white is doing is PURELY THEORETICAL! IF white plays correctly, he'll get an ADVANTAGE (not straight out WIN!), sure, but white never does, so your hating is based on NEGLIGIBLE possibilities. when and IF white starts improving, so will I, and have the home turf familiarity for testing lines.

like I'm pretty sure I already shared, even at the 2000 level, white isn't "winning" anything more than a few percentage points. BFD! I'm fine with that. it comes with the territory! if you can't take facing OCCASIONAL strong lines, don't play gambits.

I've come across a FEW players that hate gambits including 1 who hates englunds. (probably a londoner)

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1983B-Boy написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
1983B-Boy написал:

right. the theory might not be as scary as I first thought as once I got down to the sidelines, a lot of it transposes back up to main lines.

Come on the english isnt that scary.
You should just develop and avoid creating weaknesses.

if I wasn't positionally brain dead, that would be a plan, but theory is the only way FOR ME to really get through an opening. I might not be able to UNDERSTAND opening theory, but it can be memorized... unless it's a move order nightmare like the rousseau gambit I wish I already knew. I tried studying it and in 1 attempted game, it went bad quickly

4...dxc6 has much better stats

5 moves in, and I'm ALREADY losing, and it wasn't as anywhere near as intuitive as king's gambit is to me. I just want to quit the scandinavian SOOOOOO BAD! (and not play ANY defense that allows 2.e5, so it's gotta be 1.e4 e5. OH! It wasn't even a rousseu, but a jaenish/schliemann which I've NEVER studied.

it's REALLY annoying that I let white come in on the f diagonal! as an f pawn pusher, I should know better and realized Qh5+ was coming too late

all the "winning" white is doing is PURELY THEORETICAL! IF white plays correctly, he'll get an ADVANTAGE (not straight out WIN!), sure, but white never does, so your hating is based on NEGLIGIBLE possibilities. when and IF white starts improving, so will I, and have the home turf familiarity for testing lines.

like I'm pretty sure I already shared, even at the 2000 level, white isn't "winning" anything more than a few percentage points. BFD! I'm fine with that. it comes with the territory! if you can't take facing OCCASIONAL strong lines, don't play gambits.

I've come across a FEW players that hate gambits including 1 who hates englunds. (probably a londoner)

80% of the game is positional play.

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what has this forum become

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AngryPuffer написал:

what has this forum become

Bullying i recon.

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it's become a place to talk about chess. here haters.. lap this one up!

I was sooooo close! Too much adrenalin methinks

UGH! I just DID NOT see that 26.Rxf3 rook lift coming and snap moved. all I saw was Rg1 and had dismissed 26.Rxf3 Qxf3

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vincentvanrijn wrote:

Im black in this game my opponent is an 1800 in lichess I don’t know how to flip the board or paste it In.

the d5 variation is very annoying but most opponents just blunder the 2 pawns if you put enough pressure resulting in a pretty open game

Clearly 1800 in lichess isn't good. d4-d5 is weak because this opening is winning for white and yet he lets black equalise with d5.]

After Nf6, white should probably play Bg5 and then if black goes Qa5+, Bd2 and maybe gambit the b pawn. But it isn't promising for white because black has been allowed to play e5. It's a small edge to black.

The thing with lichess players mostly is that there are 2 options. Absolute garbage play or titled level play almost no in between so it’s hard to gain elo points

but the d5 variation is pretty annoying and hard to play against for me cuz I can’t deal with space disadvantage a lot and i like attacking. I’m trying to work with space disadvantage with the Caro but I still lose a lot of my games cuz of the annoying bishop b5 pin

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1d4 e5 2 de d6 3 ed Bd6 4 Nf3 Nc6 5 Bg5 Nf6 6 Nbd2 with e3/Bd3/c3/o-o to follow Whire just avoids cheapie

1d4 e5 2 de Nc6 3 Nf3 Qe7 4 Nc3 White will be the one getting the cheapest in!

So again I ask how long do you intend to be a 1600 player?

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Not long!

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I play this junk myself knowing full well it is junk, and I see the allure but don't fall for the illusion of great things from this opening scheme

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The man doesnt know positional play

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Most people are going down this route. The engine slightly prefers c5 to Bc5 but c5 is FAR more difficult for black to play.

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