END your 1.d4/London/closed game/positional woes forever with 1.d4 e5!? 2.dxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6!

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That's Martian for "When I first played chess I learned the Winawer from both sides and really enjoyed playing against it. I sometimes played a quiet variation as white where white plays an early a4".

But yes you're quite right.

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That's Martian for "When I first played chess I learned the Winawer from both sides and really enjoyed playing against it. I sometimes played a quiet variation as white where white plays an early a4".

But yes you're quite right.

like in my opinion when the guy is playing 1.e6 it is significantly more probable that he's a french defence player that uses this move order to play a nimzo, than if he is a dutch player who wants to avoid gambits

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lassus_dinnao wrote:
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That's Martian for "When I first played chess I learned the Winawer from both sides and really enjoyed playing against it. I sometimes played a quiet variation as white where white plays an early a4".

But yes you're quite right.

like in my opinion when the guy is playing 1.e6 it is significantly more probable that he's a french defence player that uses this move order to play a nimzo, than if he is a dutch player who wants to avoid gambits

It's a tricky one. I don't really like playing c4 or having played c4 and I get a Dutch. I sort of do things like g3, Bg2 and Nh6 and it's ok but I much prefer playing against the Dutch if I haven't played c4. There's a significant chance that your Nimzo player will actually turn out to be a Dutch player. Otherwise, 1. ...Nf6 is the likely response.

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I love this line. White gets the pawn AND the compensation!

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Laskersnephew wrote:

I love this line. White gets the pawn AND the compensation!

Exactly!

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lassus_dinnao wrote:
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Staunton Gambit plucks Dutch teeth.

1. e6

Ah yes, 1.e6

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Someone just tried to play a line with an early f6. It's only about the third time it's been tried against me.

5 mins blitz.

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Someone just tried to play a line with an early f6. It's only about the third time it's been tried against me.

5 mins blitz.

that's all
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I played 3.Bf4 to vary and I liked it. What's the point in ef?

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I played 3.Bf4 to vary and I liked it. What's the point in ef?

they get to compensation for the pawn. +1.5 for white. The best responce is e4 tho

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I usually play 3. e4 but in 5 mins I prefer keeping it simple. I have played e4 and won. I think I've also played e4 and lost because of the time factor.

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Yes, white might win but perhaps it isn't a forced win. If it isn't a forced win, it's very close to one. I would play e4 before Nf3.

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right. the theory might not be as scary as I first thought as once I got down to the sidelines, a lot of it transposes back up to main lines.

Come on the english isnt that scary.
You should just develop and avoid creating weaknesses.

GEE! why didn't i ever think of that?

*ROLLEYES*

it's like talking to a stone wall. I can't VISUALIZE positional AT ALL or even understand the voodoo mumbo jumbo WASTING TWO infuriating DAYS trying to learn the SIMPLE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE pawn ending with FOUR different books including "best lessons of a chess coach", and "my system" if it's covered in that. TWO DAYS... FOUR USELESS BOOKS.

my brain just isn't wired for ABSTRACTION. i'm a VISUAL thinker! That's MY LANGUAGE. no hablo flying spaghetti monster. You're all just gonna have to deal with it. I gotta.

I wish it weren't so, but if rage inducing get nowhere with four books attempts to learn out of focus dead sea scrolls pawn endings was a TOTAL waste of time, then more advanced concepts aren't worth WASTING TIME on either no matter how incapable so many of you are at understanding my PLAIN ENGLISH statement of facts about my limitations.

It might be tied to my lifelong name & number dyslexia, or even grandma forcing me to be right handed, hobbling my eye hand coordination. It is what it is. I know what MY STRENGTH is... attacking, attacking, attacking.

That wins games too. I'm positive I'll never be a 2500. I'm OK with that. I'm a Texas hold em grandmaster who always made the final table at poker stars before they started cheating with that crooked river rat math where 75% winning hands are what KO me every time. THOSE are variables that are much easier to calculate, and most people that play poker are overly optimistic, trained to believe in magical river rat math maroons.

If the math at online poker was legit and grinding wins, as it should, I'd still be playing freerolls, like the 9000 player round 1 I decided to Longball from 17th place after I made my 85th or better round 2 ticket to get KOed at 57th after 4 all ins.

Made the final table in a "best of the best" 200 player round 2, drew AA to an AJJ flop... full house, aces over Jack's. Donk across from me goes all in. I KNEW I had him and ALSO knew he was going to 1 out me on the river so I grabbed a camera to take a picture of his 2% donk buttocks catching JJJJ off suit rags for the KO.

You should NEVER fold AAAJJ nor be able to PREDICT a 1:21, after 2 draws outcome, but EVERYONE has to lose for dirty sites to get paid, ESPECIALLY players who know what they're doing. Poker patterns are CAKE to calculate.

Positional chess is stupid schroedeger's (sic?) 🐈 in the 📦

It can't be observed, so it doesn't exist in my universe. Oh well.

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I will NEVER, I repeat NEVER play godawful ugly benko or any other kings indian, lenningrad, benoni opening! As I'm positive I've already said, I hate fianchettos as much as I hate closed positions. THATs why i love hartlaub charlick! It opens in the center, and creates semi-open files, not hideous fianchettos with ugly pawn clusters.

There simply doesn't exist a more suitable for my style 1.d4 system. That's why I was giddy with "why has NO-ONE ever suggested this the 1,000 times i begged for an OPEN attacking system that DOESN'T fianchetto?" excitement watching Igor's video as he speaks my language like the rest of you apparently can't, or chose not to, mine.

HE gave me the EXACT answer to my question, a decade after I gave up asking, and I KNOW, i stated i'd "even be happy to sack both of my center pawns for an OPEN attacking game" at least once.

Apparently, I was speaking Russian and thought I was asking the question in plain English.

No matter WHAT opponents play, i won't be banging my head against the annoying stonewall against 1.d5, and be able to breathe and move freely to whatever the softest target i can overload is. I can finally pull my rusty batleth out of storage and swing it at least once or twice in most if not all games.

Win or lose, I will face my enemies ON MY FEET and look them in the eyes and not cower behind pawns like a vulcan.

Klingons make bad accountants. 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂

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Optimissed wrote:

Staunton Gambit plucks Dutch teeth.

Yes... even if you know how to defend against it, it still wrecks one's castle and exposes ones kind making an already annoying straghtjacket a defensive flail.

Fortunately, it's rare, but is a very good item to add to my list of stonewall gripes, and I flat out despise the london too because all I have is the stankwall.

I've decided to study English carokann when I get around to that, but getting a rousseau repertoire and ditching the party pooper scandinavian is my top priority.

1...e5 is essential to prevent white from playing it, and keep them Italian and Spanish 50:50 lines to yourselves. Jaenish schlemann!!! YEAH!

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gik-tally wrote:

I will NEVER, I repeat NEVER play godawful ugly benko or any other kings indian, lenningrad, benoni opening! As I'm positive I've already said, I hate fianchettos as much as I hate closed positions. THATs why i love hartlaub charlick! It opens in the center, and creates semi-open files, not hideous fianchettos with ugly pawn clusters.

There simply doesn't exist a more suitable for my style 1.d4 system. That's why I was giddy with "why has NO-ONE ever suggested this the 1,000 times i begged for an OPEN attacking system that DOESN'T fianchetto?" excitement watching Igor's video as he speaks my language like the rest of you apparently can't, or chose not to, mine.

HE gave me the EXACT answer to my question, a decade after I gave up asking, and I KNOW, i stated i'd "even be happy to sack both of my center pawns for an OPEN attacking game" at least once.

Apparently, I was speaking Russian and thought I was asking the question in plain English.

No matter WHAT opponents play, i won't be banging my head against the annoying stonewall against 1.d5, and be able to breathe and move freely to whatever the softest target i can overload is. I can finally pull my rusty batleth out of storage and swing it at least once or twice in most if not all games.

Win or lose, I will face my enemies ON MY FEET and look them in the eyes and not cower behind pawns like a vulcan.

Klingons make bad accountants. 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂

true

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1.d4 e5? is utter trash!

You want to know how to beat the London? Look here:

Blast the London in 23 Moves! - Chess Forums - Chess.com

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Honestly, @gik-tally, you might actually appreciate 1... Na6. Not only is it HIGHLY insulting to face, but it's the highest scoring response to 1. e4 imaginable, it isn't refutable, it comes with a trap that lower rated players are likely to fall for, and if White declines the "free" knight like a coward, you actually reach a named and rather well-scoring variation of the Caro-Kann in which Black unironically has chances. What's not to love?