I'm going to give the Bg5 line a try. Never looked at it before just now and as you say, it can be considered superior unless a more certain way to play the Nc3 line is found.
Englund Gambit..your thoughts?
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Jul 2, 2021
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#63
Here's a study I made to prove the englund isn't refuted
https://lichess.org/study/N3lPXGIr
Jul 2, 2021
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#65
4. Bg5 transposes back to the mainline englund after 4...Qb4+
I dont think 4.Bg5 is good
Jul 2, 2021
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#66
DubstepJunkie wrote:
OnlyForDaily wrote:
Here's a study I made to prove the englund isn't refuted
https://lichess.org/study/N3lPXGIr
Why would white play Bxg6? Makes no sense to me and that is the single move that allows black get a playable position
White plays Bxg6 to stop the ...Nxe5 move. This move also creates hanging doubled pawns on the kingside, so Black will have to know how to handle these pawn structures.
tygxc wrote:
All gambits are unsound except Queen's Gambit. Englund is even less sound.
Vienna Gambit is somewhat sound... and this one too
Sep-Gol wrote:
tygxc wrote:
All gambits are unsound except Queen's Gambit. Englund is even less sound.
Vienna Gambit is somewhat sound... and this one too
I switched the move order, its supposed to go Nf3 g5 d4. It's 7 in the morning, I'm sleepy.
Jul 2, 2021
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#70
@Sep-Gol 3. d4 fails to 3...Qh4+ and the king is stuck on e2, which Blocks the bishop and the Queen.
melvinbluestone wrote:
RealNoah wrote:
melvinbluestone wrote:
DubstepJunkie wrote:
melvinbluestone wrote:
Why bother with 4.Bf4? Isn't white just a lot better after 4.Nc3 ? (1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7 4.Nc3 Nxe5 5.Nd5)
After 5...Nxf3+ 6.gxf3 Black's prospects look much better
4.Bf4 is much more direct refutation to 3...Qe7 since black is pretty much forced to play 4...Qb4+ and after Bd2 and Qxb2 white gets much more than the slight edge he has in the 4.Nc3 line.
I think white is fine in that line. I just think that after 5...Nxf3 6.gxf3 black is much worse. The queen has to go back to d8 to protect c7 (if 6...Qc5 7.b4 Qc6 8.b5!). After 6...Qd8, 7.Bf4 or e4, white is doing great.
The move e4 at move 5 looks much clearer for white. If Nxf3, Qxf3 and white is simply better in almost every way.
5.e4 looks good, too. What I don't understand is this fixation with Bf4 at move 4. Why even consider it since white can get into all these tactical problems after 4...Qb4+. Simply 4.Nc3 avoids all that. Sure, white gives back the pawn, but black is so far behind in development it hardly matters.
But white is winning tactically & it's black who has the problems. That's why Bf4 or, next game I play, Bg5.
Jul 2, 2021
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#72
Tad2721 wrote:
pfren wrote:
tshekou έγραψε:
It’s my favorite response to D4! 😊
It shows on your rating.
It shows on your grammar
the grammar was fine in all of those responses lol
I always play 4. Bf4 and when black plays Qb4+, I either play Bd2 or Nc3. Both are usually winning for white.
5.nc3 is not clear at all.
Why mess with something like that when 5.Bd2 is close to winning?
But you may play 4.Bg5! which is at least as good as 4.Bf4 is, and force Black to that line.
Indeed. I tend to play that line only against players who are weaker. I prefer Bd2 and have played far more games with that line. I actually discovered the Nc3 line by accident in a 5 minute game when I forgot to retreat my B and found myself winning! I agree that the bishop retreat is more safe for white.