French Defence or Sicillian Defence for a beginner

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Bigbird2001

I' mean 2. Nc6 sorry and I play that opening against the fried liver attack which you wouldn't believe how popular at this level. 3. Bc5 to avoid the knight advancing to g5. I only did it in that order (accidentally) to show you what it eventually looks like in the end sorry.

BirdsDaWord

It did look like the type of idea you see against the Italian Game, but the move order is what was getting me.  The concept that you are showing (if played against the Fried Liver) looks like the Traxler, but with White declining to sack on f7. 

And yes, if you are playing traditional chess, you can do 3...Bc5 against both the Italian and the Ruy.  

williamn27

For beginners? e5. The positions from e4 e5 is probably easiest to learn at lowest levels.

shreeniketh_ranga

The best opening for a beginer is nether French nor Sicilian. It must be kings pawn game scince it is easy to learn but it depends how he wants to play

kindaspongey
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Pulpofeira

I think he/she means 1. e4  e5.

kindaspongey

Possibly helpful:

Starting Out: The Sicilian by GM John Emms (2009)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627122350/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen123.pdf

Starting Out: Open Games by GM Glenn Flear (2010)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626232452/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen134.pdf

Starting Out: Ruy Lopez by IM John Shaw (2003)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627024240/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen53.pdf

First Steps: The French by IM Cyrus Lakdawala (2016)

Nicholas_Shannon80

Lol, well seeing how your username involved "Big Bird" I might say the best opening for you would be the Orangutan or the Elephant Gambit!

wbbaxterbones
As someone who has always hated e5 for black (the positions just have never excited me) I don't think learning them first is REQUIRED. Certainly understanding those positions helps development, but that can be said for most openings, well... Besides the systems.

I think the Sicilian can be a fun choice, but only if you are willing to lose a lot. You will learn dynamic play, imbalanced tactics, and pawn storms a lot sooner than you would with e5, while missing out on some of the good learning moments from the open games. It is a trade-off, as all study plans are.

If the positions excite you and interest you, then you'll learn more from them than a position you dislike or find boring. That could be e5, that could be the Sicilian, that could be the French, but find your passion, learn from all the losses, and have a blast getting better.
stratoman

General concensus is "French is solid, Sicialian is dynamic"

I usually play The French mainly because I have "Winning With The French" by Wolfgang Uhllmann. However the French can be very tactical and unbalanced in some variations, such as the Winawer.

The Fort Knox Defence is a variation of the French which is a great "safe" opening if you want to avoid nasty surprises. I'd recommend that. However I concur that 1....e5 is probably the best move  unless you feel like you know a lot of opening theory. 

SuirenBoid

Although my first opening was the Sicilian Dragon I would suggest the French Defence. In fact Everyman are just about to release a book called First Steps:French Defence by Lakdawala which would be a great place to start! He is a good author, very down to earth and Everyman are a good publisher. You can find out more about it here https://www.everymanchess.com/first-steps-the-french

adamtripsy

I'm somewhat of a novice myself so take my opinion with a grain of salt if you wish.  I have found the French Defence to be extremely difficult to learn as a beginner.  This is because a lot of the maneuvers are unnatural and go against your elementary chess principles.  For example, in a lot of lines you have to play Na6, Nh6, queen out early, etc.  I find that in a lot of positions, unless you've memorized the line, you're going to have a hard time finding the correct move on common sense alone.  Have you considered studying the Caro Kann? Its similar to the French in many ways, but has been an absolute joy to learn because many of the maneuvers are extremely logical and intuitive. 

KamikazeJohnson
Bigbird2001 wrote:

I've heard that they're both good openings but I'm wondering which is better suited for my level.

No harm in trying something different at any level...Sicilian and French both tend to give you games which are significantly different from the 1...e5 openings.  Which one?  Depends on what you're looking to get out of it.

French is extremely solid, leading to a very stable center in most variations.  It tends to produce positions that are somewhat cramped for Black, so it's great practice on dealing with that type of situation.  pat particular attention to our c8 Bishop. I personally have almost never had to endure the Exchange Variation, while others find it's an extremely common response to the French.  If you find your opponents play a line you hate too frequently, shelve it for a while, and bring it out again in another 200 Rating Points.

Sicilian is a much "sharper" opening, often leading to very active, exciting position.  Games are very rarely symmetrical.  Between experienced players, Sicilian tends to end in fewer draws than French; both openings are fairly balanced for both sides, Sicilian just tends to end in someone winning, while a well-played French often just holds the line for a draw.  At low levels though, both are the Wild West where anything can happen.

Try them both, see which flavour you like better.

EDIT: Contrary to what my current rating may suggest, I'm not a beginner...I've been playing since the 80s, used to be a regular tournament player.  Just trapped at low levels while I shake off about 15-20 years of rust.  Not an expert by any means, but definitely more experienced than my profile may suggest.

DasBurner

French is very complex too. You have to know what you're doing with the Main line stuff like the Winawer and Steinitz, and get used to grinding in the exchange variation. But I'd still pick it over the Sicilian

tygxc

Carlsen judges Sicilian better than French.
At beginner's level it does not really matter.
You will lose by mistakes in middlegame tactics, not by the opening.

SamuelAjedrez95
verylate wrote:
 

You live up to your name. 🙈

Well said, the opening that's best for you is the one you like most, French or Sicilian.

Brian-blunderPEN

Sicilian has so many different more openings you can try after you used it. My game with Sicilian Defense has 7 book moves

french defense has exchange variation and a couple others