Thanks! I might put more effort into studying this opening and use it as a surprise from time-to-time.
French defense: Advance variation, wing gambit
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Zander2468 wrote:
Everyone plays this
4. b4 ???
Actually, this variation of the wing gambit is much better and a lot more sound.
@7
4 b4 is a but brutal.
However, 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 e5 c5 4 c3 Nc6 5 Nf3 Qb6 6 a3 c4 7 Nbd2 Na5 8 b4 or even 7 b4 make more sense.
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AutisticCath wrote:
Actually, this variation of the wing gambit is much better and a lot more sound.
It is better than the line in your original post, but it still is not good. Korchnoi came up with a line where it is White fighting to maintain equality.
1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 c5 4.b4?! d4! =/+
ThrillerFan wrote:
AutisticCath wrote:
Actually, this variation of the wing gambit is much better and a lot more sound.
It is better than the line in your original post, but it still is not good. Korchnoi came up with a line where it is White fighting to maintain equality.
1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 c5 4.b4?! d4! =/+
Watson and Schiller, in their book Taming Wild Chess Openings, give the opening a "thumbs up" marker indicating recommended for competitive play.
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AutisticCath wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
AutisticCath wrote:
Actually, this variation of the wing gambit is much better and a lot more sound.
It is better than the line in your original post, but it still is not good. Korchnoi came up with a line where it is White fighting to maintain equality.
1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 c5 4.b4?! d4! =/+
Watson and Schiller, in their book Taming Wild Chess Openings, give the opening a "thumbs up" marker indicating recommended for competitive play.
Read it again. If it is a book on taming wild gambits, that thumbs up is for Black. The book is on beating gambits, not playing them.
Moskalenko also recommends Korchnoi's Wedge (4...d4) in his book The Even More Flexible French (I think, if not, it is in his latest, The Fully-Fledged French.)
The Wing Gambit does not get a thumbs up except for the purpose of a marketing scheme.
Actually, I think the thumbs up is for white as it is divided into three sections and six parts. The first section covers unsound openings for white/black, the first part for unsound white openings, second for black openings. It flips the colors for each part. Second section is ugly openings.
Yes, black can play against it, but it is marked as sound for white. Hence, their lines are for giving black equality against a more ugly but playable white opening.
What's interesting is that Schiller and Watson recommend the 4. ... c4 line of black against it. According to the Chess365 Database, it produces a 51% win advantage for white. Overall, white retains a winning record with the opening, though only around 44% with a lot of draws.
https://www.365chess.com/eco/C00_French_Wing_gambit
HuntingTurkeys wrote:
AutisticCath wrote:
Actually, I think the thumbs up is for white as it is divided into three sections and six parts.
I would heed ThrillerFan's advice. He knows what he is talking about. As stated earlier, the gambit (any gambit?) brings the person initiating it at a disadvantage. If you want to put it under the "fun" category, then say the Wing Gambit is fun for white to play. If you are objectively looking at best moves for white, avoid it. Emory Tate played against it back in 2008. That's the last known player I see in Lichess, but he played it as black.
Well John Watson wrote an entire book on the French. Albeit, it's probably dated at this point, but I think a lot might have to do with position and comfort for the player. I have always had difficulties against the French in general and would rather go with a more complex line.
I actually have both Watson's Play the French (second ed.) and Andreas Tzermiadianos's How to Beat the French Defense. I think the latter just advocates for the Tarrasch variation. I'm going through my entire chess library. I might look for other ways. Of course, I think it's also important to find something your comfortable with too. The exchange variation might be sounder and more comfortable as well.
I'm more of a casual player, TBH. I'm 30 years old. Probably not going to be grandmaster or world champion. But fun hobby.
No disrespect, but as a sub-1000 rated player, you might want to work on developing your game a bit rather than chime in on competing statements regarding openings.
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AutisticCath wrote:
competing statements regarding openings.
You want competition? How do your words stand up to the top 10 GMs?
Bring it!!!!
If the top 10 play Wing Gambit, I will buy you a wing's chicken meal, ok?
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#17
When I can post a pic, I will post a chicken licken pick of wings. Be careful who you challenge.
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#18
AutisticCath,
My challenge to you is to put up or shut up. WHEN HAS A TOP 10 GM PLAYED A WING'S GAMBIT IN THE CANDIDATES?
PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!
BRING IT AUTISTICCATH!!!
BRING IT AUTISTICCATH!!!
BRING IT AUTISTICCATH!!!
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AutisticCath wrote:
No disrespect, but as a sub-1000 rated player, you might want to work on developing your game a bit rather than chime in on competing statements regarding openings.
You are nothing but a fake.
The computer says I made only one mistake but I guess that evidently it just really hates this opening for white as it calculated a +6 advantage for black before checkmate occurred.