Fried Liver, why not 6. ... Bd7

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j-r-p

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 [Fried Liver Attack] 4. ... d5 5. exd5 5. Na5 6. Bb5+ Bd7

Why don't people play 6. ... Bd7

This way you avoid having to give up a pawn.

Example continuation:

7. Qe2 Bd6 8. Nf3 0-0

Seems like an equal position.

(I'm reading Andrew Soltis's Studying Chess Made Easy at the moment and he says 6. ... Bd7 is a "logical" move but "bad", the kind you'd play if you hadn't memorized the opening. But I have memorized the opening to that point and I'd still play it...)

_IronButterfly_
Estragon wrote:

Probably not an equal position, White's game is freer, but Black has some development and isn't necessarily lost.  The thing is that you are almost surely going to have to play ...c6 pretty soon to rescue the errant Knight on a5, and the immediate ...c6 gives Black a pretty good game where he gets to take advantage of White's disregard for time. 

Why trade that for a cramped defensive game, even if it is solid?  Just to save a pawn?  That's miserly, great for saving your nuts for the winter if you are a squirrel, but chessplayers should be more adventurous.


aye.. but the squirrel survives and gets to play in the spring!  

DrSpudnik

The squirrel wastes all summer saving nuts and then gets squashed by a truck.

The Black side of the Two-Knights (not Fried Liver unless Black plays 5...Nxd5) is properly played as a countergambit. Black gets all the fun with open lines and a quickly developing attack.

j-r-p

But going a pawn down is a pawn down! And White's position is still good... it's not like he won the pawn by giving up anything important.

_IronButterfly_
DrSpudnik wrote:

The squirrel wastes all summer saving nuts and then gets squashed by a truck.

The Black side of the Two-Knights (not Fried Liver unless Black plays 5...Nxd5) is properly played as a countergambit. Black gets all the fun with open lines and a quickly developing attack.


I like to think that the squirrel lived and is happily chasing the other squirrels about in the spring...this is called, being an optimist!  :)

mnag

To the OP, you are correct, it is a possible continuation; however, it scores poorly. After 7. Qe2 Bd6, White scores 59%. A great score for White. The good news for you is that it mostly players over 2400 doing the scoring for White. You will probably never have to worry against your opponents. I suggest you study the positions a little more and continue playing it until your opposition starts to beat on you.

DrSpudnik

It's robin-squashing season now. But I digress.

Bd7 is playable but Black is not getting the edge he usually gets in this opening. After the usual 6...c6 line, White is usually not in good shape. Either the Bishop retreats to e2 and his position goes passive for a dozen moves, or he plays the Qf3 line and tries to eke out an edge in that.

Odd, we haven't heard from pfren yet?

pfren

6...Bd7 is a good move of course, and after 7.Qe2, 7...Be7 is a better move than 7...Bd6. Picking between 6...Bd7 and 6...c6 is a matter of taste.

Oh, and THIS IS NOT THE FRIED LIVER. Get over it at last...

DrSpudnik

I said it was playable. (I've even played it!) Don't I rate? Cry

Rubidium

James Eade comments that usually black gives up material for speed developing. I've played the two knights sometimes but I always get discouraged when I'm one point down. 

_IronButterfly_

ya know..the attack i really hate is the fried chicken..anyone experience the stress from that?  :)